PEW SHANKS HASTIE

[aghadowey]

The only Irish church records that were destroyed in Dublin in the 1920s were those from Established (Church of Ireland) churches that had sent their records there for safekeeping. However, many churches (of all denominations) do not have surviving pre-1850 records.

See DOWN RESOURCES section on Church Records to get an idea of what is available.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498485.0.html

[moggerdog]

The only Irish church records that were destroyed in Dublin in the 1920s were those from Established (Church of Ireland) churches that had sent their records there for safekeeping. However, many churches (of all denominations) do not have surviving pre-1850 records.

See DOWN RESOURCES section on Church Records to get an idea of what is available.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498485.0.html

Thank you - I shall check that link out. I've written to PRONI as of today also to advise me before my trip.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

From Ros Davies website, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/P/PrPy.htm#pu
are these two,  brothers,  father and son etc.etc.
Francis   PUE   .   Kilkeel    leased land in Mullartown 1 May 1770 from Nicholas Bayly   HOTC p106,252
Hugh   PUES   .   Kilkeel    leased land in Mullartown in May 1770 from Nicholas Bayly   HOTC p252

Ros expands the source HOTC – it is a book   Hanna of the Close- from Scottish Origins to 1798   R. Keith Hanna   R.K. Hanna, Sheffield UK   2008.

Mullartown and MullartownUpper are both townlands running straight inland from Annalong rising up to up to the Mourne mountains in the civil parish of Kilkeel.

Ros Davies also lists church records extanct eg
Annalong Presbyterian Church
in Annalong village, Moneydarraghmore townland.....Records from 1840; graveyard attached
 See http://www.annalongpc.btinternet.co.uk/
The nearest church of Ireland sometimes allowed events and have records eg
Kilhorne Church of Ireland, Kilkeel Rd, Annalong beside the shore
Baptisms from 1842, marriages from 1769 & burials from 1857; gravestone inscriptions available UHF Vol 10 , oldest stone 1845; email me, Ros Davies for a gravestone look-up
Good luck JimG

[moggerdog]

That is really helpful, thank you!! It's good to see that there were Pues in the Mullartown area before my line emigrated (around 1840) and also that some were there afterwards too according to Griffith Valuation Records albeit spelled PUGH. Because that is the one place that keeps coming up for PEWS/PUGHS/PUES in County Down for that time I really do wonder if they are my ancestors - it seems quite likely.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

I have seen something about famine lists say 1846 onwards made up by poorlaw unions, but cant remember where.  I would have thought the higher mourne mountains areas must have suffered

[moggerdog]

I have received an email repy from Rosalind Davies which I shall put here. Very helpful.

Hi Lorna,
I have several Pews in the Surnames section of my website and all are from Kilkeel- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/P/PrPy.htm#pu

As Pugh was a Welsh name and Kilkeel is a fishing area, I suggest that your original ancestor came across the water in a fishing boat looking for better opportunities.
If you look on my Kilkeel church page, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PHOTOSwords/KilkeelAll.htm you'll see that Kilhorne records Baptisms from 1842, marriages from 1769 & burials from 1857. I'm not sure where they are kept but probably in Public Records, Belfast- www.proni.gov.uk

Civil registration started in 1864 so you'll need church records to find the family. Try  https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927084 & the free indexes on http://www.ancestryireland.com/database.php
http://www.rootsireland.ie/
http://www.emeraldancestors.com

I checked the published gravestones;
in Kilhorne Church of Ireland graveyard;
Pue /Rough granite stone in a low railed enclosure/. Erected in memory of William Pue who died  17 Jan 1862  aged 48 years. Margaret Pue died  24 Mar 1912  aged 91. Their son Hugh Pue died  26 Aug 1926  aged 67. Margaret, wife of Hugh Pue, died  15 Apr 1952  aged 83.

Pue /Rough granite stone, re-cut/. Erected in loving memory of Elizabeth Pue who died  16 Jan 1864  aged 66 years. Also her husband Hugh Pue who died  26 Nov 1872  aged 80 years. And their son William died  16 Oct 1886  aged 76 years. Also their grandson William Pue died  26 Dec 1898  aged 33 years. And his father Hugh Pue died  16 Nov 1899  aged 77 years. William Pue, born  28 Nov 1893 , died  31 Jul 1936. Margaret Pue, born  04 Dec 1882 , died  20 Mar 1943. "Blessed are the dead which died in the Lord."

in Kilkeel old graveyard;
Pue /Low stone of c.  1930 /. Pue.

Couldn't find you're other surnames.

I checked the land records, Index to Tithe Applotment Books, 1823-1838 (head of house only) and have listed all Pews in Kilkeel. None of your pother surnames in Kilkeel area.
   
Pues, Alexander    County : Down
    Parish : Kilkeel
    Townland : Mullertown
    Year : 1830
Pues, George    County : Down
    Parish : Kilkeel
    Townland : Mullertown
    Year : 1830
Pues, Hugh, Jr.    County : Down
    Parish : Kilkeel
    Townland : Mullertown
    Year : 1830
Pues, Hugh, Sr.    County : Down
    Parish : Kilkeel
    Townland : Mullertown
    Year : 1830
Pues, Nancy    County : Down
    Parish : Kilkeel
    Townland : Mullertown
    Year : 1830
You might like to check the earlier land records, Freeholders on www.proni.gov.uk  Also check their Will Calendars.
Best wishes,
Ros

[meowkat]

Thanks for the info. I'd also noticed that that town keeps coming up. I've been a little hesitant to assume there's a connection because their names are so different. Maybe I'm just used to the Scottish naming patterns. Had I seen some Thomas' or Roberts in there I might be more excited. Although, as Elizabeth Shanks' father was a Robert, that maybe where that name entered the family and maybe our oldest Thomas was named after his maternal grandfather.
Nancy might be a link. I know our first generation of Pews in Scotland did have a Agnes, and Agnes and Nancy are often interchangeable.
I hope you have luck when you visit Ireland 

[moggerdog]

Yes I understand your hesitancy as I too have felt the same. It is possible they had a son before Robert Pew who either stayed in Ireland or died and that Robert was indeed named after Elizabeth's father, and then their next son Thomas was named after his father. That is how the Irish naming pattern loosely followed apparently. I do know that name spellings were commonly interchangeable and Thomas Pew (who married Helen Paterson) had the spelling PUE on his marriage certificate in Scotland. I have been looking for SHANKS and HASTIE and can find some in both County Down and County Antrim (and there are PUES of County Antrim of the same time period including Elizabeths) but again nothing that screams out our ancestors for sure. I keep wondering if Thomas Pew's (married to Elizabeth Shanks) mother was called Isabella Smith. Of course they could be naming daughters after aunts too. I hope to either find out more in Ireland or have some wonderful person come along and fill in the gaps for us! There is an Isabella Smith of County Down who died aged 67 years in 1842 so who knows. I'm not sure if they used their maiden names or married names in Ireland.

[moggerdog]

There are BOLTONS in County Antrim also so it is possible they came together there first before making a move to County Down?