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Offline ann7

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births in Japan
« on: Friday 19 June 09 01:38 BST (UK) »
I'm looking for information on the births in japan circa 1860's, I have a relative who married someone in, we think, ??? the merchant navy and was with her husband in Japan for the births of her 2 daughters, by 1871 she and her daughters were back in Cornwall. If someone can help the details are as follows

Mary Trist 1836 Rame Cornwall married Alfred Edwin Lyne 1841 N/A in 1863 Devon
daughters
Minnie 1865 Yokahama, Japan
Ellen 1867 Yokahama, Japan

I have been able to trace everyone up to 1911 except Ellen who, after 1881 census, seems to have disappeared. I need to know if her name was Ellen as there are marriages for Helen  and wonder if this was her real name...

Any help would be appreciated

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Re: births in Japan
« Reply #1 on: Friday 26 June 09 08:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Ann

I think she is the Helen Francis Lyne that married Henry Preedy. In the 1891 Census her place of birth is Japan, and the age is the right. My GGGF was in the Royal Marines stationed in Japan, so there was a sizable British community there.

Have you checked the Overseas/Military births on Findmypast? And are you certain Alfred was in the Merchant Navy?

Ken

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Re: births in Japan
« Reply #2 on: Friday 26 June 09 23:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Ken.
I have already looked at the Helen Frances Lyne who married Henry Preedy and her name was Helen Stock according to another researcher who traced the birth, apparently she was illegitimate and this person assumed that she used her father's name on her marriage certificate. I am going to order the certificate and see who she names as her father...

Regarding Alfred Edwin Lyne and the merchant navy, there are no records of Alfred in 1871 and 1881 but there is an Alfred Edwin Lyne on 1891 census in Hull.
 Mary Lyne and her daughters are on the census records for those years and we assume that the marriage broke up and Mary returned to UK with the children and even though she was still alive in 1891 there is a marriage record for Alfred in 1893 and a death record for him in 1898 all in Hull, whether there was a divorce is anyone's guess but the 1891 census list him as Sailor Merchant Navy so one assumes  this was the Alfred Lyne who married Mary and returned from Japan and based himself in Hull.

I know there are a lot of assumptions and have just had a look on findmypast and can't find birth records for the girls, will have to wait and see what the marriage cert. says
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Re: births in Japan
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 December 16 12:45 GMT (UK) »
I am a descendant of Helen Florence Lyne. She was not illegitimate. I have her parents' marriage certificate.
Her father was Alfred Edwin Lyne, also known as Stock. Her mother was Mary Trist. Alfred signed up to The Navy under the surname Stock, but married under the name of Lyne. She are not sure why he uses two names, but it adds complexity to the search and may have been dos mother's maiden name with an estrangement from his family(?). He does return yo England in 1871 and makes a will, but returns to sea. I find him in ships' census in various places, but poor Mary was left in relative poverty, living with her sister in Cawsand (parish of Rame) and eventually moving up to London. Helen Florence married Henry John Fane Preedy and spent much of her life in India, so Helen Florence had an interesting life. These people are my direct grandparental ancestors.
My grandmother bought a cottage in Cornwall actually in Cawsand, knowing there was a bit of a family connection. She told me that her great grandfather went to sea and never came back. She liked to think he was a pirate and we gently smiled. The story, however is correct, though Alfred Edwin was not a pirate. Though if he is the same man who marries in Hull twenty or so years late( I have a copy of the certificate) then he was certainly a cad. We still have the cottage. It turns out to be opposite the house that Mary Trist was brought up in. The Trists were an important Devon family, being the biggest land holders in the county at one time. They had too many sons though!