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Re: William Smith Clark
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 19:47 BST (UK) »
Sorry it has taken me so long to get round to this but i really don't understand it .  William was born 1908 so where does that fit in?

Does the marraige in 1913 refer to the nephew and is this his father as in 1911 he is only 20.  Who would mother be.  I am quite confused about this.  The marraige to Mullen looks a possible.  This Henry (nephew ) could be Margarets son.

Am i right

Thanks for your help
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« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 17 June 09 20:26 BST (UK) »
Thank you for this information.  I ahve been trying to find it but I am not having any luck.  The family in the 1911 that you found is apossible but i think Williams dad remarried  a Mullen as dad can remember his dad having a step brother called Robert Mullen.

Ther is a marraige for a Mullen and Henry Clark in 1913.  She had a son called Robert.

This is totally confusing me as i can't find that marraige either on free bmd.

I am sorry it has taken me so long to reply but I have been on another search which was too good to leave.

Thanks for the help and i will keep trying as Dad would really love to know who his family are or where.

Thanks  again

Jac
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« Reply #38 on: Thursday 18 June 09 10:17 BST (UK) »


 Just a little geoegraphic and administrative angle ( for 1911 census etc)

 Blyth lay within the administrative area of Tynemouth ( BMD registration, Censuses, Parliamentary, Sanitary etc)

 North Seaton, Seaton, Seaton Hirst, Ashington etc lay within the admin area of Morpeth.

The dividing line was the River Blyth.

( But in modern times, 1937,  these areas-for BMD reg anyway, all lie within Northumberland Central,  based at Morpeth.  )

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Re: William Smith Clark
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 18 June 09 17:01 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that information it may help in this quest.

Regards

Jac
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Re: William Smith Clark
« Reply #40 on: Thursday 18 June 09 18:58 BST (UK) »
Hello Jac

Sorry if you seem to be a bit confused with the information given to you so far, I think because you had two threads going about the Clarks it may have felt a little mixed up.  The moderator has linked them now, so I'll try to summarise what we've found.

William Smith Clark married Mary Garbutt in 1930, you have that marriage cert.
His father you think was George Henry Clark tho on that marriage cert he's just Henry.

I found two possibles for William's father in the 1901 census for you, and asked you if you could check for them in the 1911 census:
 1. George Clark 25 born Seghill married to a Mary (Hudson) - this could be George Henry and Mary who would be William Smith Clark's parents
or
 2. Henry Clark single 20 nephew of Wm. Barnfather & Sarah (Clark) - if he was William Smith Clark's father, he wasn't married by the 1901 census

You haven't come back with that information so not sure which one he is.

Then we found a marriage for Henry Clark to Mary J Mullen in Sept 1913 Morpeth 10b 815 - we thought this would be George Henry's 2nd marriage as you said William had a half-brother Robert Mullen.

We need to know where George Henry and his first wife, with son William were in the 1911 census

Hope this clears things a little, did you check for any of them in 1911??

This was the family I suggested you might like to check in 1911
Blyth district shows a William Clark aged 3, Christina Clark aged 5  and a Jacob Clark aged 10, and Sarah Ann Clarke aged 47 in the household, so it might be worth buying credits to see that census return

The other thing you maybe could do would be to get the 1913 marriage cert for William's father to Mary J. Mullen

I found a Mary Jane Mullen in the 1911 census index along with children Mary, Elizabeth, Dorothy, Robert Kate and Joseph.  Does your Dad remember if William had any other half-brothers and sisters besides Robert Mullen?

Barbara  :)
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Re: William Smith Clark
« Reply #41 on: Thursday 18 June 09 19:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks Barbara for that information.  You have made it a lot clearer for me now.  I did look at the census but it says William is the grandson on it.  I will have another look with the information you have clarified and will get back to you.

Once again thanks

Jac
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Atkinson South Shields,
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Re: William Smith Clark
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 18 June 09 19:49 BST (UK) »
I only looked at the 1911 index, if you have looked at the full thing would you like to give all the people in the household, names ages birthplaces and relationships and perhaps we can work from there to see if it is your William. 

The only other William in the index, right age, in Northumberland 1911 had a father called William

Barbara
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Re: William Smith Clark
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 18 June 09 20:06 BST (UK) »
Hi barbara,
The others in the household are
Jane Scott Head            57                            Durham
Sarah Ann Clark     Daughter  47                   Bedlington
Benjamin Weight G Son       18                      Morpeth
James Wright      G Son         14                     Bedlington
Jacob Clark          G Son          10                    Bedlington
Jane Wright         G Daughter    17                  Murton Colliery
John Pringle      Boarder             63                Sheepwash Nothumberland
Elizabeth Richardson   Boarder    70              Edlington Lane  Durham
Henry Cotchley   Son                15                   Bedlington

Christina Clark G Daughter         5              Blythe
Robert Hagens    Boarder          29               Edinburgh

Hope this is usefull because it means nothing to me except the Chrissie

Regards

Jac
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Re: William Smith Clark
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 18 June 09 22:19 BST (UK) »
Sorry Jac, but please can you modify your post and put the birthplaces?  (just click on 'modify' button on your last post, alter it and then click 'save')

Then I'll hopefully be able to find them in earlier census and sort out who is who.  William is Jane's grandson, Sarah her daughter, but it's not certain if Sarah is William's mother.  I'll look for Sarah & Jane earlier, but their birthplaces will really help

Barbara  :)
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