Florence Cartwright -Robert Dines (Dynes)

[henery]

Hello everyone
What a mass of info you are all providing for me about Florence and Robert.A lot of it seems to match in with family hearsay.
One extra piece of info which seems to tie in Florence
is believed to have lived in Devon maybe after death of Robert who may have died in an aircrash.
Many thanks again, I will be back this afternoon to absorb all your info.
Henery

[posteria]

Hello

This might be yet another coincidence or irrelevance but on 6th September 1915 a Wilfred Holden from Belper was killed in action at Gallipoli.

He was a Lance Corporal in the Household Cavalry and Cavalry of the Line (including Yeomanry and Imperial Camel Corps), Derbyshire Yeomanry Battalion. His service number was 1811

The marriage of a Florence Cartwright and a Wilfred Holden, which I referred to earlier, had taken place in the first quarter of 1915 at Belper.

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[posteria]

From the birth registration indexes, on FreeBMD, there were only two children called Wilfred Holden born at Belper. One was born in 1883 and he lived in the same household as Florence Cartwright in 1901 and 1911. The other was called Wilfred Charles Holden who was born and died in 1896.

It now seems relevant and highly probable that the Wilfred Holden born in 1883 married Florence at the beginning of 1915 and was then killed in action later in the same year.

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[posteria]

The marriage between William Holden and Florence Cartwright took place on 4th January 1915 at Hazlewood.

The bride was aged 30 and the groom was 32.

The bride’s father was William Cartwright and the groom’s father was William Holden

From “England & Wales Marriages 1538-1940” database on Ancestry

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[henery]

Hi everyone
First a big thank you to all for the info supplied on Florence and Robert. Definitely Dines.
posteria. Your reply no.3 confirms that Florence did exist, when I could not find her in 1901 and 1911 I was beginning to have doubts.
It seems possible that she was born1884 which confirms family accounts that she was one of 17 children!! fathered by William Cartwright who married Anne in 1882. There is a sudden gap between1st son Percy B1882 and 2nd son Ernest B1890. Belper was also a place of residence for members of the family at a later date. The possible marriage to Wilfred Holden in 1915 is the first reference the family have to a connection with Holden.
It now appears that Florence was married twice .But I cannot find references to either of them.
Reply no10 Wilfred Holden at Gallipoli is very interesting.I have tried CWGC but cannot locate him on their records.I must look somewhere else.
Reply 4 about a Robert Dines aged 26 sailing to Australia, is there no reference to Florence?
Anna reply no.6 your info from the Melbourne Argus seems to be spot on!!
No8 I wonder what an Orchardist is?
What a lot of info you have all obtained for me.
Many many thanks.
Henery

[avm228]

The possible marriage to Wilfred Holden in 1915 is the first reference the family have to a connection with Holden.
It now appears that Florence was married twice .But I cannot find references to either of them.

The first is easy - it's on FreeBMD:

Marriage Mar qtr 1915   

Cartwright Florence  (to Holden) 
Holden Wilfrid  (to Cartwright) 
Belper 7b 907

[avm228]

For some reason Wilfrid/Wilfred Holden's death on CWGC seems to be recorded as J.H. Holden (the other details all match those found above by posteria):

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=602283

[avm228]

I wonder what an Orchardist is?

A person who farms/cultivates an orchard, I expect.  Not a million miles from the occupation of "farmer" on Robert I. Dines' 1920 emigration record (on which, incidentally, there is no Florence Dines listed).

There's no obvious evidence to suggest that Florence and Robert married or even met in England - they might have found each other Down Under...

[henery]

Posteria
Thanks again, for some reason when looking for Wilfred Holden on Freebmd I could not find the marriage, but 'Hey Presto' looking for Florence there it was.
Henery