Florence Cartwright -Robert Dines (Dynes)

[henery]

Hi everyone.
Can someone help me in finding out what happened to a Florence Cartwright, believed to have been born in Rotherham about 1895?
She had a sister called Annie Eliza Cartwright born 1893.
Florence married a Robert Dines or Dynes date unknown.
Family legend believes that Robert  went to Australia and that he trained to be a pilot.He returned to England, date unknown. and is said to have been killed.
Can anyone help?
Thanks from Henery.
Sorry its Dines or Dynes

[avm228]

Hello Henery

I'm drawing a blank at the moment.  I can see a Florence Cartwright b Dec qtr 1895 Rotherham, but she seems from the 1901 census likely to be a daughter of William & Louisa Cartwright in Swinton (in Rotherham RD). No Annie among her siblings.

Then I can see an Annie Eliza Cartwright b Sep qtr 1893 Rotherham, who seems from the 1901 census to be a daughter of William & Annie Cartwright in Rotherham itself.  She has several siblings but no Florence among them.

I can also see no trace of a marriage for Florence to Robert Dines/Dynes or any sign of them as a couple in e.g. immigration/emigration records.

Is there anything else you know that might be a clue?  Did Robert and Florence have children, to your knowledge? (NB don't post details of living people, per Rootschat policy).

Would love to help but am stuck for now!

Anna

[posteria]

Hello

Annie Eliza Cartwright born 1893 Rotherham had a sister Florence who was born in 1884. She appears on the 1891 census with parents William and Annie at reference Rotherham RG12/3849 Folio 77 Page 31

Since there is a question mark against her age in the original post, is it possible that the Florence we are looking for could have been eleven years older than originally thought ?

posteria

[posteria]

In 1901 this Annie Eliza Cartwright’s sister, Florence, is living with her Aunt, Mary Holden nee Pierpoint in Derbyshire at reference Belper RG13/3228 Folio 18 Page 28. That is why she does not appear with her parents, William and Annie nee Pierpoint in 1901.

Florence is still living with the Holden’s in Belper on the 1911 census and in 1915 she married her cousin, Wilfrid Holden.

posteria

[posteria]

This might be coincidental or irrelevant but it is interesting ....

On 23/12/1920 a Robert I Dines aged 26 sailed to Sydney on board the “Medic”. He was listed as a Farmer. (He is indexed as Robert J Dines)

A Robert Imrie Dines was born in 1894 in Hampstead.

On 08/06/1929 a Mrs Florence Dines aged 40 and her 1 year old son, Robert Imrie Dines arrived in England from Australia. Their address in England is shown as Longwood, Chelford, Kent.

On the previous entry there is a Mr Henry Robert Dines aged 70 and Mrs Elizabeth Dines aged 62 with the address Longwood, Chelsford. He is a retired Bank Manager.

They all sailed back on the "Ulysses", boarding at Melbourne.

posteria

[posteria]

 
On 23/04/1927 Henry Dines aged 68 and Elizabeth Dines aged 60, sailed from Liverpool to Montreal, Canada on board the “Andania”.  He is shown to be retired and their address was shown then to be Chandlers Ford, Hants.

posteria

[avm228]

Posteria - that is brilliant!

Here's an online birth announcement from Australia (apparently from the Melbourne Argus of 2 September 1927) which suggests that Robert Imrie Dines Snr (a Flt Lt, so consistent with the flying story) had died before the birth of Robert Imrie Dines Jnr:

DINES. -On the 31st August, at Ulverstone, North
road, Brighton, to the late Flight-Lieutenant
Dines & Mrs. R.I. Dines -a son (Robert Imrie).

http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/correction/3876582

English records also show the death of a Robert Imrie Dines in SW Dorset in Sep 2002 -DOB given as 31 August 1927.

Anna

[posteria]

Hello Anna

This may also be irrelevant or it may contain a word which is very relevant ...

On 06/07/1924 a Florence Dines aged 35 arrived at Southampton on board the “Hobson’s Bay” from Brisbane.

Her address in UK is shown as Belpur, Devon which might really have been Belper, Derby and she may have been visiting relatives ?

posteria

[avm228]

Hello Anna

This may also be irrelevant or it may contain a word which is very relevant ...

On 06/07/1924 a Florence Dines aged 35 arrived at Southampton on board the “Hobson’s Bay” from Brisbane.

Her address in UK is shown as Belpur, Devon which might really have been Belper, Derby and she may have been visiting relatives ?

posteria

I like it!

The 1924 Australian electoral roll for Victoria shows a Robert Imrie Dines as an orchardist, address Tresco West.

In the same year at Toorak, Fawkner, Victoria was this couple:

Florence DINES (occupation: home duties)
Robert Imrie DINES (occupation: nil)

both at 40, Hawksburn Rd, Toorak