What happened to JOSEPH SHAW?

[hmserge]

Hi,

A while ago I posted a link on here to try to trace my gg-grandfather Joseph Shaw who was born in 1846 Halifax, Yorkshire. 

He went with his brother (James Shaw born 1849) and a friend John Albert Drake (born abt 1877) to Montreal, Quebec, Canada on the 28th May 1903.  They sailed from Liverpool on the Bavarian.

No records were found for them in Canada (except for John Albert Drake which was much later on).  I had presumed they had emigrated to Canada.

Recently I have been in touch with an ancestor of James Shaw who has found James Shaw and his wife Frances in the 1911 census, so it is for definite that James returned back to England sometime between 1903 and 1911.

I cannot find any passenger records for his return journey from Canada to England, and I cannot find anything at all for Joseph Shaw!  They were both wire drawers.  Joseph's wife moved to Blackpool to open a lodging house, but in the 1911 census it does say that she is 'married', although Joseph isn't with her.  I had presumed that they had separated as on the previous census (1901) they are living apart.  Sophia in Blackpool and Joseph lodging in Halifax.

I was wondering if anyone might be able to help me try trace Joseph Shaw.  It's a complete mystery as to how he just vanished.  Maybe finding the passenger list for James' return journey to England might help, as maybe Joseph returned with him.

Any help or advice is much appreciated.

Thank you

[Jacquie in Canada]

Previous threads regarding Joseph Shaw by hmserge:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,342851.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,340380.0.html

Two possible passenger list entries for James' return. There was a James Shaw, 52, labourer, who sailed on the Cedric which departed from New York and arrived in Liverpool on 28 Apr 1904. There was also a James Shaw, 60, coal exporter, who sailed on the Mauretania which departed from New York and arrived in Liverpool on 30 Aug 1909.

Jacquie

[hmserge]

Hi Jacquie,

Thanks for your reply and great to hear from you again.

I'm still on the case of the missing Shaw, and I'm hoping that one day I will find out what happened to him 

I came abit closer finding out that James returned to England.  James Shaw the labourer is probably the most closest in occupation.  It's interesting though, as departure for both these men was New York.  I'm just wondering if that is the area I should be looking for Joseph in, as at the very start of my searching I was told that it was New York that he went to.

I'm just wondering what to search next 

Thanks again

Heidi

[babyblu]

Hello Heidi,

The mystery continues!  I'm a bit confused Heidi - according to the information I have on the 1871 census the sons of John and Nanny are James age 21 and Thomas age 17.  Where there just the two boys?  Do you have their birth cert info? Was Joseph a second name for one of the boys?
Allison

[hmserge]

Hi Allison,

I've just checked the 1871 census for John and Nanny.  There is Mary age 19, James age 21, Thomas 17, Martha Ann 14 and Nanny Alice 2.  They lived in Ovenden.

Joseph married in 1867 to Sophia Morris, in 1871 he is age 24 and he is living with Sophia in Brighouse with their sons John Malcolm 2 and James Edward (my g-grandfather) age 2 months.

Hope this helps.

Heidi 

[babyblu]

Hi Heidi,

Thanks for your reply.  I understand now - the info I have had no Joseph listed, but I have the 1881 census for James. Do you know what happened to Thomas? Its a funny coincidence but my mother's maiden name is Morris just like Sophia's.  My mother's parents are from in or around London and immigrated to Winnipeg in the early 1900's.

Look forward to chatting again.
Allison

[hmserge]

Hi Allison,

Thomas married someone called Selina Heap and he was also a wire drawer.  He lived in the Brighouse area but in the 1901 census he had moved to Lindley.  A few of their children were called Samuel Esdaile, Annie Selina, Joseph Wilmot and Emily Gertrude. 

John Shaw's business was called 'John Shaw & Sons (Brighouse) Limited' which was a wire manufacturing company.  In 1871 the business was at Wheatley Road, Ovenden.  In the Kelly's Directory the company is at Livingston Wire Mill which was on Bradford Road, Brighouse.  John Shaw was then living at Laverock House, Brighouse, which is still there today, he seemed to have done well for himself.

I have details somewhere of when the business was wound up but I will have to try find it and let you know the date. 

Speak soon

Heidi

[babyblu]

Hello Heidi,

I read another posting you made in '08 I believe about John Shaw & Sons in Brighouse.  It said he wound up his business in 1903 or '04.  John would have been around 77 yrs old.
I'm planning on coming for a visit next spring and it would be nice to meet you Heidi.  I plan to do some exploring in the Halifax/Brighouse area.

Allison 

[hmserge]

Hello Allison,

Yes that date sounds correct. 

It would be lovely to meet you too 

Shame I don't have any old photos that you could see, do you have any of Martha or anyone else?

Heidi