Thomas PAICE b.abt 1826 Basingstoke

[dee-jay]

Let me de-mystify it for you I made a mistake and you are correct. I should have said 1861 Cenus RG9/748/101/12

Many thanks, Trish.  FindMyPast had VANNER as BRUNZ and Henrietta as Martha, so I'd never have found them without the reference!

Rob, I had another look at the Wills of William who died 1843 and Charles who died 1860 and neither mentions Charles' siblings by name.  However, it is clear from the wording in William's Will that there were under-age males and females for whom provision was made for legacies payable when they attained the age of 21.  Thomas should have been eligible to receive £300 in April 1844, so I'm now wondering if he ventured overseas previously and returned to the UK to collect those sheep ..........  If he doesn't turn up somewhere in 1851, it might explain his absence?  Is anything more known about where he acquired the animals?  Also, was he described as a bachelor at marriage? 

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I Dee-Jay,
Thomas's marriage certificate in Australia doesn't give the provision for "bachelor" being entered. Entry states:
Thomas Paice, Ground Keeper, age 32, Greatwestern, Ararat, Father - William Paice, farmer. Mother - Mary Unknown.
& Mary Ann Harvey, Living with her mother, age 22, Crowlands. Father - Thomas Harvey, mechanic. Mother - Caroline Derry.
Married 30th Sept 1858, Crowlands, Vic.
Witnesses: James Harvey, Lance Hamelet (Hard to read this last name)

The reference on Thomas's death notice "Landed Portland with sheep for the Hentys" (1852) is a bit of a strange one. The Hentys were Agriculturalists and Pasturealists who developed Portland Bay and north and brought sheep from England. The shipping passenger list says Thomas was bound for Port Phillip but appears to have disembarked at Portland on the way.
Greatwestern where Thomas settled was about 150km NW of Portland.
I don't know any more.
Rob

[dee-jay]

Rob

A contact at the former Andover Independent Chapel suggests that the old registers were deposited with the Registrar General, so it's not possible to view the originals for witnesses' signatures locally.

Apart from pursuing records in Australia, the only other option I can think of is to obtain a marriage certificate of one of the two girls who married in Basingstoke District in the 1840s.  The best bet would be 1842 Sarah Wills PAICE as Thomas born 1823 would not yet have received his legacy giving him freedom to roam.  If she married in the Basingstoke or other Independent Chapel, there is a possibility that Thomas might have witnessed the ceremony, as the Independents favoured multiple witnesses.

[dee-jay]

Thomas's marriage certificate in Australia doesn't give the provision for "bachelor" being entered. Entry states:
Thomas Paice, Ground Keeper, age 32, Greatwestern, Ararat

A load of new references to Names in Victoria Government Gazettes have been added to the findmypast.com website [pay per view].  There are many entries between 1861-1874 for PAICE [T./Thos/Thomas] listed in subjects from Poundkeepers; Title Deeds;  Licences;  to Gold Mining Shareholders.  The material has been provided by The Genealogical Society of Victoria.

I searched on 'Google' for Thomas Paice - Ararat and found an earlier Gazette of 1858 recording his impoundings of horses which would be sold on 20 October if not claimed and expenses paid.  [Beware of the defective scanning which shows the year 1853.]     

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Hi dee-jay
Poundkeeper, didn't know of this occupation.
Interesting reading though the Gazette references, thanks for that.
Looked at the marriage certificate, yes it does say Poundkeeper. I was having trouble with the first letter P, but once you said poundkeeper it was obvious. Thats experience for you, I am continually amazed at the information you find and knowing where to look.
I will spend some money and look through the references on findmypast.com.
Rob 

[dee-jay]

Rob,

Before you spend money, take a look at this 'freebie' which will give you pretty much the same info for free but you can also browse the actual pages for all the references!  http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/ 

Search for Paice and note the last reference to T.Paice relates to page 388 and not 383.

[dee-jay]

On my last visit to HRO I had a look at Basingstoke Parish Register for burials but did not encounter other than already reported for 'your' PAICE family, leading me to believe there must have been a burial ground and/or burial register for the London Street Independents.

I also had a look at the marriages in the Parish Register and noted A. & M. CASTON witnesses, with H[?] HEADING, to the marriage of William PAICE & Mary HEADING 22 Feb 1816 by Licence.  A subsequent check on the Hugh Wallis' website found that Thomas CASTON had married Jemima WIGG 12 Jun 1788 Basingstoke, so the CASTON witnesses appear to have been William's cousins.  Thomas CASTON, Ironmonger aged 50, was listed in the 1841 Census in the same premises as William & Mary PAICE.

Of the other PAICE direct links, only this marriage featured in the post-1837 Basingstoke Parish Register:
No 112 by Licence 09 Jan 1868
John SHOOLBRAID [sgd] Widr Dr of Medicine of Aldershot, son of John SHOOLBRAID Clerk in Orders
Ellen Heading PAICE Spin'r dau of William PAICE Upholsterer
Witnesses:  William GLOVER;  Henrietta PAICE;  Fanny GLOVER.

Ellen's surname for death registration is also recorded SHOOLBRAID [not Schoolbraid].

[scriv2]

Paice/Pace names are around in the Alresford area and in Northington,Hampshire..not that far from Basingstoke.

I have Lydia Paice in my tree, bapt.1737 in Preston Candover, Hampshire..parents John Paice and Susannah Yalden (m.1724 in Brown Candover)

Re-reading the thread, I doubt this will help you, but I also find myself hooked in looking for this family!!!

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Thanks dee-jay for continuing the search for Thomas's family. Where to from here? 
You mentioned that someone was doing a one name study on the Paice family, do you have a contact?
I have been doing a one name study on the Paice family in Australia and so far have about 15 separate trees but no mutual ancestors. All originate from the UK, mostly in the Hampshire area. I have been able to link a few groups into present UK families, KT4U is one of the contacts on RootsChat site.
I went through and read all the hits on the Vict. Gazette site for Thomas:
Seemed to have a very turbulent life, 1858 appointed Poundkeeper, 1861 Insolvent - listed as poundkeeper but must have had his own thing going, possibly mining, 1863 Discharged insolvent, 1865 appointed General Inspector, 1867 appointed Poundkeeper, 1874 Insolvent again - listed as a Hotel Keeper, 1875 Discharged insolvent.
Building up a picture. Thanks again for all your help,  like scriv2 says, "find myself hooked in looking for this family" Rob.