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Re: Shorthand - can you help decipher?
« Reply #45 on: Sunday 20 May 12 14:32 BST (UK) »
Wow!

After all this time, I'd be curious to see that!  :D
I live in Sydney, Australia, and I'm researching: Powell, Tatham, Dunbar, Dixon, Mackwood, Kinnear, Mitchell, Morgan, Delves, & Anderson

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Re: Shorthand - can you help decipher?
« Reply #46 on: Sunday 20 May 12 15:34 BST (UK) »
OK, before I post, the perfectionist in me needs to tie up more of the loose ends. Some of the lacunae are simply down to the fact that the scan hasn't picked up enough detail. If the OP could post a higher res scan, that'd be great. There are also some placenames which are defying analysis so far. Does the OP know which country we are likely in? The diarist has dinner at `Aldridges' after mooching around the `Botanic Gardens'. And there's what looks like a Mount Barker mentioned. Other possible places, or businesses, are Covers (Cover's?), and Cox's .

Also infuriatingly, the diarist seems to have his own system of representing numbers, which is mostly like Lewis's textbook method, but not quite. The entry begins: Saturday December <?>. The <?> is not a standard numeral symbol. Any context from the previous (longhand?) page?

More to the genealogy point, though, is this entry mentions a `Joe Bowen' who appears to be a close friend of the diarist. Also mentioned are a landlord Mr Hawkins, and a Mr Samuels.

I also want to nail down some of the now obsolete travel-by-horse-and-carriage nemenclature. Our diarist was witness to the `off-wheel horse' being beaten, and mentions travelling additionally by both train and omnibus. Not sure what an off-wheel horse is yet!

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Re: Shorthand - can you help decipher?
« Reply #47 on: Sunday 20 May 12 16:00 BST (UK) »
Perhaps I should do my own research. Lazy :)

Looks like we are in Adelaide. Which has a Botanic Garden, and a nearby Mount Barker. And Aldridge was a well-known publican, apparently. There's even a postcard of `Aldridge's' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bennetthall/2287955418/).

Can anyone decipher the longhand word (ending in -ing) on line 15 of the first page?

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Re: Shorthand - can you help decipher?
« Reply #48 on: Sunday 20 May 12 17:25 BST (UK) »
Sorry for my silence - I hadn't realised that the shorthand question was live again! I received no alerts from RootsChat - perhaps none are sent after a certain time has elapsed.
The news that Sean has identified the script and is almost in a position to offer a full transcript is really exciting!
A couple of years ago now I made contact with Australian descendants of James Page (of Adelaide and Mitcham SA), brother of my great, great grandfather. Someone called Joan Jenkins had gathered considerable material on the Pages and their descendants - and my contacts in Australia were kind enough to send me a copy - including the page of shorthand found in a notebook of James Page dated 1876. This was, apparently, the only shorthand document found among his surviving papers. Sadly, Joan Jenkins died some years ago - so the poor copy of the note I posted is all we have to go on. I have now taken images of the photocopy on my digital camera - if these images help to decipher and difficult parts of the document, I'm more than happy to send them - though they are too large to post here.
I am really grateful to Sean for his patience and expertise - and look forward to reading more about the 'buxom dame and jolly woman'
Ian


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Re: Shorthand - can you help decipher?
« Reply #49 on: Sunday 20 May 12 18:44 BST (UK) »
As to the 'off-wheel horse': when I was learning to drive - many years ago, I took my test wearing a toga - the car was said to have a near-side and on off-side. I can't now remember whether near means 'nearest the kerb' or 'nearest the driver' ... However, it would seem likely that the carriage referred to in the document was being drawn by two horses - the near-wheel horse and the off-wheel horse. Maybe.

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Re: Shorthand - can you help decipher?
« Reply #50 on: Sunday 20 May 12 19:07 BST (UK) »
It's actually the off wheel-horse. Off as in off side (I'm old enough to have done that in driving lessons too). It's the driver's side. A wheel-horse is not the lead horse in a coach-pulling team. I'm guessing then that is was a four-horse team: wheel vs. lead and offside vs. nearside.

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Re: Shorthand - can you help decipher?
« Reply #51 on: Monday 21 May 12 00:42 BST (UK) »
I can't believe that it's 3 years since this thread was started but brilliant that there is now an answer.

Like DebD I would love to find out at last

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Re: Shorthand - can you help decipher?
« Reply #52 on: Monday 21 May 12 00:50 BST (UK) »
Here's the best I can make of it. The diarist departs from the system of shorthand in Lewis's textbook in a small number of minor ways. This has not been too much of a problem except that his system of numerals is completely different. I have abandonned the task of working them out, although slightly more detail can be guessed at than I give here. The proper names were a real pain, as the shorthand is a quasi-phonetic system, and little remains of any original spelling. With the help of Google I have identified all the place names as being in and around Adelaide and Adelaide Hills. I was even able to corroborate the landlord Hawkins and his pub, Crafer's (http://www.southaustralianhistory.com.au/aldgate.htm). The mystery longhand word on page 1 line 15 is `cooeing', that is, `shouting cooee!', a fine Australian word. Here's the transcription, line by line. In pedantic academic style the first page is 1v. (1 verso) and the second is 2r. (2 recto). Uncertain, but likely, readings are in <angle brackets>. Unknown numerals are <?>. Sense breaks down in only a couple of places, marked (sic.)

1v.01        Saturday December <?>. Left the Port with Joe Brown by the <?> train
1v.02        but on reaching town found the omnibus would not leave until half
1v.03        past <?> so wandered about town and went to the Botanic Gardens
1v.04        then to Aldridge's where we had dinner. We then
1v.05        went by the Mount Barker Mail to Crafer's. Brutal driver
1v.06        beat the off wheel-horse under <pretense> that it would not go
1v.07        but it seemed to me he did it only out of spite. Left the
1v.08        ill-used horse at the mountain hut. Passengers had to
1v.09        <walk> up hill. Arrived at Crafer's about <?>. Had
1v.10        tea about 1/<?> past <?>. After tea when it was dark
1v.11        heard a great noise when shortly the landlord arrived in a great
1v.12        passion with a kicking horse which he <calls Raruy (sic.)>. He had
1v.13        been to town about some law affair <concerning> the lease of the
1v.14        house. A family affair. Was in a great passion because
1v.15        he had been cooee-ing a mile off and nobody had heard
1v.16        him. Brown and I slept in a double bedded room.
1v.17        Sunday <?>. Rained all the morning too and we had not
1v.18        got out. Landlord (Mr. Hawkins) cut his
1v.19        forehead open with a stirrup-iron which has
1v.20        not improved his temper. In the afternoon

2r.01        we went through the hills to Mr. Samuel's, supposed to be <?>
2r.02        miles off but we lost our way and must have
2r.03        gone <?> or <?> miles over hill and gully as
2r.04        it took us more than <?> hours and a 1/<?>.
2r.05        Samuel <came> back with us part of the way and we got
2r.06        back to Crafer's in 1 1/<?> hours. Nearly let out (sic.)
2r.07        <?>. <______> rained all the morning and we having no
2r.08        great-coats could not return to town by the
2r.09        Mail as there was only room outside.
2r.10        In the afternoon went to Cox's Creek to the Bridge
2r.11        Water Hotel   Mrs. Robinson
2r.12        and (sic.) agreed to send wife and family up, Brown also
2r.13        to send his wife and family. The landlady a
2r.14        buxom dame and jolly woman

That's it! Hope this was useful :)

Cheers

S.
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Re: Shorthand - can you help decipher?
« Reply #53 on: Monday 21 May 12 01:09 BST (UK) »
What a lovely glimpse into the social history of the time and place.

Great bit of work, Stenog

Christine