Hatton Mary Ann

[Freya Ellingsen]

yes any info on your side would be great! EG. Catherine's parents and other Sib's and dates. Also do you know if Henry Gratton Curran and Catherine Adrien had further children other than I have found?
Yes I see you have found that William Henry who was son of JPC and Sarah Creigh although JPC himself had doubts of his son's parentage, as this was about the time his wife Sarah was having an affair with Reverend Abraham Sandy's.
Although it is written that he William looked very much like JPC!

Fran

[Quaxer]

Fran
I know little about computers and type with 2 fingers only.Also this message may come in more than one part as my reply section gives me only 2 inches on the vertical.....Anybody help me on this
Joining my late mother in her outrage over the destruction of the Irish Records I spent many years rebuilding Dublin City records utilising The Irish Times newspaper from 1859-1901 (to dovetail with the 1901 Census) to the detriment of my own  work. Firstly let me give you my finds on the Currans 1859 -1880.
 July 22nd 1862 shows the death of a John Philpot Curran
January 9th 1865 indicates that  Charles Ribton Curran was called to the Bar
March 17th 1865 shows the death of Edward Colles Curran
December 26th 1865 an advert. appeared requesting copies of Curran Family certificates
September 27th 1877 P.1 shows the death of Maria Isabella Graham widow of nephew of J.P.Curran
December 18th 1884 on P.1 is recorded the marriage of Arthur E.R.Curran and Mary A.Nesbitt
I recorded these but have not investigated them as being our Currans so I cannot guarantee the accuracy of the Connection.          Will revert with more              Quaxer.
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[Quaxer]

Fran
No.2
The Adriens came to Dublin sometime before 1695 originating from St. Jean Dangely Xaintonge which I believe is near to Nantes in France. They were Huguenot and the early parish registers have many reference to themi.e. Baptisms,Marriages Burials and Witnesses. These registers are in complete in that some were destroyed by thieves.......Your double posting solved one mystery as to H.G. relationship to J.P. but unfortunately has opened anotherThe line with which I am most familiaris that of William Adrien a Tallow Chandler at Nicholas Gate Dublin who died in 1805 (according to Betham). William is mentioned in Wilsons Directory 1761 together with Paul Adrien a Grocer in York Street. I've very little on Paul (memorials  of leases on York Street) and I know that he died in 1766. As there is no mention of  a Catherine  oon William's side then it could be Paul's. Paul had 8 children one of whom may have given birth to Catherine but this is a blank so far.            Regards       Quaxer.

[Quaxer]

Fran
No.3
It was either concentrate on the I.T. project which was the largest task I've handled in my life or sort out the Adriens. J.P.Curran was an excellent wit and I often repeat some of his jokes out here in the U.S. to much merriment. It is said that dinners at The Priory often were consumed stone cold because O JP's sense of humour at the table. Even the servants joined in as was typical of an Irish household. (See also  Some Experiences of an Irish R.M.) Servant were considered part of the household and well runn houses would not keep them in their place.
 Re the Wearin' of the Green----The Oxford Book of Quotations and 1000 Years of Irish Poetry edited by Kathleen Hoagland in 1947 attribute to Anon with a third stanza by Dion Boucicault and date it from 1798. They could be repeating errors without checking sources and DB was well known apparently to use other's material.so Hg could have written it and DB added to it.
                                                                Regards Quaxer

[Freya Ellingsen]

Your information has given me hope that there are others like me who try and search through newspapers and old historical journals to piece together our Irish past your Mum was right it is an out rage that the destruction of many records of our ancestors have gone. (Here is one such excample of missing information, on writting to Trinity regarding our James Curran they replied:Unfortunately, we do not hold any papers relating to James Curran but our records are incomplete as many of the admission papers of law students and Barristers and apprentice Attorneys are missing. The admission papers used to be kept in the Tholsel (Old City Hall) but in about 1804 they were removed to King’s Inns on open carts which resulted in many being lost in transit. It is possible that we did have the Admission papers belonging to James Curran at one point in the past but they are now missing.
The information you sent I will digest tonight, it looks promising.
I have found a few more references relating to our families which you may wish to look up as I am still unable to do much and no driving for 6 weeks so very restricted....
Here goes: Catherine's father was  a John Joseph Adrien not sure if you knew this one?
Also: Catherine and Henry Gratton had 8 sons I have only discovered 4 but these refs to follow may bring forth more! The most  promising is of  Charles Ribton Curran:Charles, Ribton Curran, entered Trinity 1, July 1857, aged 16 years. He became Senior Puisne Judge of the High court of Jamaica. He was the eight son of Henry Gratton Curran!
Charles, Ribton Curran, entered Trinity 1, July 1857, aged 16 years. He became Senior Puisne Judge of the High court of Jamaica. He was the eight son of Henry Gratton Curran!
Ref: Notes & Queries 3 September, 1949 p.386-

The statutes and laws of the island of Jamaica?
by Jamaica, Charles Ribton Curran - Law - 1889

Notes and queries? - Page 386
by William White - Juvenile Nonfiction - 1949
William Adrian Curran, entered 11 Oct., 1853, aged 17. 4. Charles Ribton Curran,
entered 1 July, 1857, aged 16. No. 4 in this list was Senior Puisne Judge ...

The Handbook of Jamaica ...: comprising historical, statistical and general ...?
History - 1886
Page 547
Charles Ribton Curran, Senior Puisne Judge, to act as Chief Justice during the
absence on leave of the hon. Sir. Adam Gib Ellis, knt. ...

Catalogue of the library of the Royal Colonial Institute: (founded 1868 ...?
by Royal Empire Society. Library, James Rufus Boosé - History - 1895 - 543 pages
Page 536
C. Ribton Curran. Charles II. to Victoria, AD 1681-1888. 12 vols. 1889 Laws of
Jamaica. 1845, 1866-94 Chronological Table of Statutes and Laws to close of ...
Alumni dublinenses: a register of the students, graduates, professors and ...? - Page 29
by Trinity College (Dublin, Ireland), George Dames Burtchaell, Thomas Ulick Sadleir - Dublin (Ireland) - 1935 - 1053 pages
CURRAN, CHARLES RIBTON, Pen. (Dr. Flynn), July 1, 1857, aged 16 ; s. of Henry
Grattan, Magistrate ; b. Dublin. BA Vern. 1863. CURRAN, FREDERICK ADRIAN, Pen.
 
Debrett's House of Commons and the judicial bench?
edited by Robert Henry Mair - Biography & Autobiography - 1891
Page 381
Charles Ribton CURRAN, only surviving son of the late Henry Grattan Curran, Esq.
, RM, of Parsonstown, by Catherine, da. of the late John Joseph Adrien, ...
Register of admissions to the Honourable Society of the Middle Temple, from ...?
by Middle Temple (London, England) - Biography & Autobiography - 1949 - 1174 pages
Page 539
2 CHARLES RIBTON CURRAN, of Trinity College, Dublin, (23), eighth son of Henry
Gratton C. , of Parsonstown, King's County, Ireland, barrister at law and ...

King's Inns admission papers, 1607-1867?
by Edward Keane, P. Beryl Phair, Thomas Ulick Sadlier, King's Inns (Dublin, Ireland), Irish Manuscripts Commission - Biography & Autobiography - 1982 - 524 pages
Page 116
CHARLES RiBTON. 8th s. of Henry Grattan, BL, RM, Birr, King's Co., and Catherine
Adrian; b. 10 June 1838; ed. TCD M 1861. MT, E 1863. M 1864. CURRAN. ...
i am most interested in the red refs but unable to get to them or even we may not have them here in Australia, so if you do find any further info, let me know. Yes our JPC was a great man and he will never be duplicated... One ref that I found on him is my most favorite of his humour and wit. Just the day before he died, on the Doctor visiting him they conversed: Doc: Mr Curran your cough is getting worse JPC: that's funny I have been practicing all night....lol even on his death bed he still had it......

Hope to hear from you real soon  and mostly hope you come up with something from my refs.

Regards once more,
 
Fran

[Quaxer]

Fran
Many thanks. You have solved one of my missing links. On William Adrien's side I have a John Joseph Adrien born i.n 1830 and died a military surgeon in Malta in 1862 having married an Eliza Mary Griffin (of Galway).They had 2 children(names unknown).The widow's death is reported in the Irish Times on November 2nd 1868 at No. 47 Lower Gloucester Street Dublin. Clearly not the one as the time is against but alas I  still cannot make the connection to my Adrien crush.   
On further thought there is a slim chance  that I have a connection here. William who died in June 1805 had married Alice daughter of Michael and Fanny Kelly -Rectifying Distillers of Pembroke Quay Dublin and they had 7 children according to Sir William Betham who had sight of William's will before it was destroyed in 1922. In his notebook of abstracts of will he records a  son Joseph (not John Joseph) who I traced  as having married Mary Anne dau of Felix Kearney.
      contd.                                          Quaxer

[Quaxer]

Fran                            No.2 contd
Re Joseph...Just looked at the memorial othe Settlement deed (No.416905) dated 22-4-1809 which recites that Joseph was to receive 961 pounds from Mary's estate before marriage and the marriage had yet to take place.....It looks that this is a dead end as Catherine would only have been 11 years of age on marriage in 1821.A public scandal even in the age of GeorgeIV.
I really think that Catherine and her father John Joseph are on Paul's side and I am still missing a link i.e. who was the father of the John Joseph you found.
J.P.Curran was heavily involved with the men of 1798 in that he defended quite a few while William Adrien's son John (1760-1827) M.D.(Paris) was also very prominent When Major Sirr captured Lord Edward Fitzgerald ,John was the first surgeon called in to attend to the Lord. Any body with any further interest in this medical world???

Regards     Quaxer

[Quaxer]

Fran                      No.3
Extract from the Irish Probate Calendar 1858 P.56

William Henry Curran                      Effects under 17,000 pounds
14 September        The will with one codicil of William Henry Curran late of No. Fitzwilliam Place in the City of Dublin Esq. a retired Commissioner of the Insolvent Court , deceased who died 24 August 1858 at No.9 Fitzwilliam place aforesaid was proved at the Principal Registry by the oaths of Henry Grattan Curran of Strokestown in the County of Roscommon Stipendiary Magistrate and Edward Geale of No.27 Leeson Street Dublin Esq., the Executors.


Regards       Quaxer

[Freya Ellingsen]

Hi once again I'm seeing lots of info on Adrien's and Curran's as surgeon's!
to answer your question on who was the father of John Joseph Adrien well don't have the answer yet it only states that Catherine was his daughter and the she was the wife of the late henry Gratton Curran, you will have to get that full ref from the book quoted to maybe get further!
The Navy list‎ - Page 59
by Great Britain. Admiralty - History - 1864
4 Aug 433 George Rüssel Pickthorn, MD 4 Aug 266 Frederick Adrien Curran . 4 Aug
44 Samuel M 'Bean .... 4 Aug 290 George Robert Lawrenson . ...

the medical register‎
1864
... George CURRAN Frederick-Adrien... CURRAN Henry CURRAN James CURRAN Thomas


The Treble almanack ...: containing: I. John Watson Stewart's almanack. II ...‎ - Page 43
1832
Adrien (Mrs.) Seminary for young Ladies, 77, James' s-street, Watt. ... Alday (
Paul) Music and Piano -forte Ware-house, 1O, Dame-street. .


The Mercantile Navy List and Maritime Directory for 1868‎
... 56 121 Paul Marie Adrien ... МП Saxon, Dublin SM'WH 37 Thoiuaa Pile, Dublin.
39111 Saxon, Hayle 164 *40 Jame» ...

Wilson's Dublin Directory - 1801 Merchants, Traders, &c - Internet ...
Directory: DUBLIN - Wilson's Dublin Directory - 1801 Merchants, Traders, &c. ... 49 Francis Street Wall, Paul, Skinner, 21 Watling Street Wall, Patrick, Corn chandler, .... Richard, Cooper, 14 N. Bow Street Woodward, Humph Adrien, Dep. ...

Huguenot Families – Genealogical journal - Parish Chest
Peter Street Cemetery, Dublin, review, Michael Gandy, 8. Huguenot Families researched, 9: .... A Record of Anglo-Huguenot Nobility in York Minster, Randolph Vigne, 16 ... Early Records of the Adrian Family, Dr D M A Reekes, 8 ... More Huguenot Marriages, Michael Gandy, 26: St Paul Shadwell 1740-54; ..

Speeches of John Philpot Curran, esq: With a brief sketch of the history of ...‎ - Page 160
History - 1811
Surgeon Hume and Surgeon Adrien were both sworn, wio, after opening the body in
the view of the jury, seemed to have some little difference of opinion, ...


THE DUBLIN UNIVERSITY CALENDAR FOR THE YEAR 1868.‎ - Page 24
1868
Frederick Adrien Curran, MB, . . . . 53. William Carleton, MB, 54. Isaac Waugh,
MB, and M. Ch. (First Place), Date of Examination. 1858. 1859. 1860. ...
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Your Paul is a dark horse! but you may find something in the above refs or earlier ones sometimes need to go over and over and then you find something, Some of the above will be on line to make it easy but mostly it is a library visit...

I would assume that Paul is either the brother of Catherine or her Grand dad?? you will have to look at your dates and compare, now there is a date for Catherine from a earlier ref sent :CHARLES RiBTON. 8th s. of Henry Grattan, BL, RM, Birr, King's Co., and Catherine
Adrian; b. 10 June 1838; ed. TCD M 1861. MT, E 1863. M 1864. CURRAN

Hope this helps and not confuse. Here from you very soon.

regards,

Francie