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Re: Queens Arms, Winshill
« Reply #36 on: Friday 26 June 09 23:37 BST (UK) »
Sorry Molly I don't have any directories.

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Re: Queens Arms, Winshill
« Reply #37 on: Saturday 27 June 09 11:02 BST (UK) »
Paul,
ok Paul thanks again for photographs.

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Re: Queens Arms, Winshill
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 27 June 09 19:35 BST (UK) »
Hi,

If it is of interest Kelly's 1891 Directory shows a Joseph and
Mrs. Sarah Jane Cowley beer retailers at 2, West Street, Winshill ( doesn't give the name of a pub' )

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Re: Queens Arms, Winshill
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 28 June 09 16:56 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your reply.   However it is a Bertram Cowley I am trying to trace.

I have a marriage certificate for Bertram in 1924, so it would be after that.

I know he kept the pub in the late 40's early fifties.

Yes Number 2 was the Queen's Arms.

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Re: Queens Arms, Winshill
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 28 June 09 20:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Molly,

I have a Bertram Cowley, he is the brother of Joseph who is my direct relative, but he was born around 1875 and I have found him in the 1911 census married to someone other than Hickman. I am assuming that your Bertram is a child of one of the other brothers. We will know more when you receive his marriage certificate.

I am truly grateful for all your help in this, and for everyone else who chips in

Kind regards

Alfie

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Re: Queens Arms, Winshill
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 28 June 09 20:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Alfie
I don't quite know where to start :)

The name Bert Cowley has started to ring a bell.  I too found Bertram on the 1911 census married to Nellie with five children, living in Derby.  He was 35 at the time.

Mr Hazlehurst kept the Queen's Arms in 1911.

Abner Cowley b. Winshill, Derbyshire, found lodging at 20, Horton Street, Derby,  with a Joseph Edward Brown.  Abner was a Locomotive fireman.

I also found a marriage for Abner in Derby in 1912.  Brides maiden name was Keeling.  He is down as being born in Winshill Derbyshire.  So i took that to be him.

Now we come to the interesting bit.  I actually received the marriage certificate on Friday, but I was going to wait until i had found when Bert Cowley took over the tenancy of the Queen's Arms by looking in the trade directory for Winshill in the local library.
Alfie....Bertram's first wife must have died.  He married again in 1924.

Date; 17th May 1924.
 Bertram Cowley. 49 years. Widower.  Joiner.  15, Carrington Street, Derby.
Fathers name Ralph Cowley (deceased)  Ralph was a sawyer.

Ellen Ruth Hickman.  35 years. widow of 15, Harrington Street, Derby.  Her father was Richard Harrison, Coal Merchant.

Witnesses were Henry and Nelly Harvey.

Hope this helps.  I will be going to the library on Thursday, so will know more then.
Regards
Molly
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Re: Queens Arms, Winshill
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 28 June 09 21:01 BST (UK) »
Wow Molly, 

when I found Bert in 1911 I thought he was the wrong one... how easy it is to assume things.

This is great, we (or rather you) are finally tracking down who the Mr and Mrs Cowley were that you knew and were related to me. Bert was my gr gr grandfather's brother, so my gr gr uncle.

How did you find out who ran the pub in 1911? I tried for ages

Best wishes

Alfie

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Re: Queens Arms, Winshill
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 28 June 09 21:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Alfie.

My relatives lived at No 3.  Just clicked on list on 1911 census
 Molly
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Re: Queens Arms, Winshill
« Reply #44 on: Monday 29 June 09 11:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Molly

Thank you what a wonderful photograph.

Pat
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