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Re: Birth and Marriage Brick Wall
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 04 June 09 12:22 BST (UK) »
James & Annie Elizabeth had their first 2 children Ellen Maria (1888) and James William (1891) baptised at Christchurch, Banbury,  their address is given as 1 Cherwell street,  there are no other baptisms for their children there though.

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Re: Birth and Marriage Brick Wall
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 04 June 09 12:27 BST (UK) »
Maybe Hannah Elizabeth/Annie E never actually married James Callow because she was technically still married to Oliver Gibbs?

There's an Oliver Gibbs in Croydon in 1891, "married" to a Louisa. Tracing him back, he seems to have been born Oliver Joseph Gibbs, Mar 1863 Woodstock.
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Re: Birth and Marriage Brick Wall
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 04 June 09 12:48 BST (UK) »
Debbbie i think i just kept coming back to that marriage becuase of the surnames

in 1901 they are living at 16 Cherwell street don't know if they moved or the houses were renumbered

Tati oooohh good find did look for a death for him but as i didnt find one didnt post on here

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Re: Birth and Marriage Brick Wall
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 04 June 09 14:55 BST (UK) »
Is there anything to suggest that Annie Elizabeth is the same as Hannah Elizabeth, as that bit was very clear on Thomas Callow's Birth Certificate?
In addition the family have very strong links to Cherwell Terrace (formerly in Banbury) and lived at several addresses on that street in subsequent generations aswell.
I am a bit reluctant to focus on this Agnes as I havent seen or heard anything of her before.


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Re: Birth and Marriage Brick Wall
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 04 June 09 16:23 BST (UK) »
According to the IGI online a baptism for:

Anna Elisabeth TEBBY 16th Oct 1864. AYNHO, Northants.
Parents: William & Ellen TEBBY.

Maybe she used the names Anna/Annie/Hannah ???

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Re: Birth and Marriage Brick Wall
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 04 June 09 21:06 BST (UK) »
That certainly fits, thanks Devis
It's quite easy to get Ann (therefore Annie) and Hannah from Anna.
I'll look into it...

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Re: Birth and Marriage Brick Wall
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 28 April 11 12:39 BST (UK) »
I've come to the party late on this one.

However I can tell you that the Laura E CALLOW, Sister, 23, born Souldern Oxfordshire on the 1901 census is almost certainly in fact Laura Ellen TEBBY, another daughter of William  and Ellen (formerly Robins) TEBBY. The very same William shown in a post above above living with his widowed daughter Annie M KEMSLEY with Agnes A GIBBS as a visitor on the 1901 census. The 1881 census shows a 3 year old Laura Ellen TEBBY, born in Souldern, living with her parents and brothers "near station Aynho."

I would therefore be very inclined to think that "Annie Elizabeth" is probably Hannah Elizabeth as this is additional evidence given that we know Annie M KEMSLEY (formerly TEBBY) is living in Croydon with her widowed father William at this time.

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Re: Birth and Marriage Brick Wall
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 28 April 11 15:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that,
I admit i'm not 100% which census you're referring to with Laura E Callow/Tebby, but I have come to the conclusion that Annie Kemsley and Annie/Hannah Callow are in fact sisters from the Tebby family and daughters of William.
I also believe that Agnes is in fact Oliver Gibbs' daughter and that for whatever reason him and Hannah separated. I do not believe there was ever a marriage between Hannah and James Callow for that reason, however given his age I havent ruled out the possibility that he may also have been married before. At present however, this mystery remains unsolved.

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Re: Birth and Marriage Brick Wall
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 28 April 11 15:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that,
I admit i'm not 100% which census you're referring to with Laura E Callow/Tebby, but I have come to the conclusion that Annie Kemsley and Annie/Hannah Callow are in fact sisters from the Tebby family and daughters of William.
I also believe that Agnes is in fact Oliver Gibbs' daughter and that for whatever reason him and Hannah separated. I do not believe there was ever a marriage between Hannah and James Callow for that reason, however given his age I havent ruled out the possibility that he may also have been married before. At present however, this mystery remains unsolved.

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I'm referring to the 1901 Census as set out in reply #2 higher up the thread.