Rose Ann BRIGGS and George GULLIDGE

[bertoli22]

I guess working out the names of the 5 children who were on the Poictiers could maybe turn up other people who know something about the family.  I have recently written to all of the Briggs who live in the Mintaro/Wakefield area on the off chance that they are from the same family.
 The John Briggs snr who came on the Poictiers died in Parkside in 1888, I've applied to get a copy of his records.

I bought a book about the history of the Catholic church in Mintaro as sons John and George married in the Catholic church there. Some of the family married Catholics and converted.  John Briggs snr and his wife Ann Butler were not Catholic.  There is nothing about John or Ann in the book apart from the fact that John, wife and children arrived.  There is quite a bit about son John (d 1900) because he and his wife Ann Campbell (d1912) had 11 children and a four of the daughters were nuns in the Mercy Sisters convent in Adelaide.

There is an old heritage house in Mintaro (more like a tiny old stone shed) "This pug or earth walled cottage is possibly one of the earliest surviving structures in Mintaro. It served as home to the builder, James Briggs and his seven children."
http://www.aussieheritage.com.au/listings2/sa/Mintaro/BriggsCottageRuins/9483

Seeing that they are Briggs in Mintaro they may be related but maybe not.  I've been writing to the National Trust chasing up info.
When i checked ages ago i couldn't find births for 7 children with James as father.

Also the James that Jen found was married in Port Lincoln and from memory he died there as well.

[cando]

Births to John BRIGGS and Ann CAMPBELL

BRIGGS Mary Ann
6 Jan 1858   Mintaro   Gil 13/62

BRIGGS Elizabeth
5 Aug 1859      Wakefield     Cla 15/489

BRIGGS Catharine
5 Oct 1860   Mintaro   Cla 21/245

BRIGGS Thomasina
29 Jul 1862   Mintaro   Cla 25/662

BRIGGS Anne Maria
27 Feb 1864   Bungaree Run   Cla 30/286

BRIGGS John Manuel
27 Jul 1865-07-27   Anama   Cla 37/125
 
BRIGGS James
6 Oct 1866   Mintaro    Cla 48/175

BRIGGS Rose Ann
23 Oct 1868   Mintaro  Cla 68/300

BRIGGS Rose Alice
19 Nov 1869 Mintaro  Cla 78/262

BRIGGS Sarah Juliana
14 Jun 1871   Mintaro   Cla 95/297

BRIGGS Selina May
12 Jun 1878    Mintaro    Cla 202/362

Like you, I can't see any births with James as father in the SA records.

In SA pre1875 Catholic and Scottish births are often not registered.
http://www.jaunay.com/newsletter/newsletter7.html

Perhaps another parish records search is needed.

Will press on.

Cheers
Cando

[bertoli22]

Thanks heaps.
That will keep me busy 
I'll follow up with the Srs of Mercy to see if i can find something.
ciao Bertoli.

[cando]

It appears that George may have married twice...the ages at both marriages make dob 1832/3.

BRIGGS George  25 years  Status not known  Father John BRIGGS
MCMANNS Ellen  21 years  Status not known  Father Thomas McMANNS
23 Nov 1857
Catholic Chapel Mintaro   Cla 32/375

BRIGGS George  32 years  Status not known  Father John BRIGGS
DUNNING Elizabeth  22 years  Status Single  Father William DUNNING
21 Sep 1865
Res of James Dews, Hoyle Plains   Cla 63/197

What do you think?

Cando

[cando]

Found these in NSW so it looks as thought there was only one marriage.  Ellen's death in NSW shows father Thomas, same as marriage cert.

Death
8580/1903     
BRIGGS      Ellen     
Father Thomas Mother Bridget     
District  Young


Births to this couple

BRIGGS Rose Anne
5 Sep 1858
Father George BRIGGS  Mother Ellen MCMANUS
Mintaro    Gil 14/419

Births in NSW with father George and mother Ellen.
5586/1861     
BRIGGS  George       
District Binalong
        
15438/1863    
BRIGGS    John   
District Young

6252/1866    
BRIGGS    Mary E
District Young.
         
7277/1869    
BRIGGS    Valentine G   
District Young

20185/1872    
BRIGGS William H    
District Young

22954/1876    
BRIGGS  Sydney William   
District Young.

A few deaths
9414/1911     
BRIGGS  William
Father George Mother Ellen
District Burwood     

9917/1879    
BRIGGS    George V   
Father George Mother Ellen
District Young

2779/1862    
BRIGGS George    
Father George  Mother Ellen
District Binalong

7590/1873    
BRIGGS    William H
Father George Mother Ellen
District Young

11027/1929    
BRIGGS    Sidney W
Father George Mother Ellen
District Young

31236/1942    
BRIGGS    John
Father George Mother Ellen
District Young

31244/1942     
PERRIN  Rose Ann     
Father George Mother Ellen
District Young


Cando

[bertoli22]

George Briggs and Ellen McManns -McManus - are mine, it's her photo that i have.  I have that BDM cert.  I have doubts about her age though - I think that she put it up to get married -she always told family that she was 16 when she married.  Ellen was illiterate but managed to get her name right for the marriage cert. There is a transcription error with the name.

Are there often transcription errors with dates?  I was wondering if it could be possible that the date is wrong:
SINCLAIR William married BRIGGS Catharine on 1848-05-14

[bertoli22]

Thanks cando
They are mine. The Briggs believed in big families 

[cando]

I have noticed this entry on the cemetery index at
http://www.saghs.org.au/graves.htm

Surname: BRIGGS
Given name(s): Catherine
Source date: 1854

This death is not in the death indexes.

You can request this information for a small fee.  The request form is on the website.

Cheers
Cando

[bertoli22]

Thanks so much.  I will do that straight away.