Service Record of Charles Tilbrook 1850's.

[soulsister]

Hi Steve

From the information you have it seems that we are both at about the same stage as each other in the Tilbrook search. Tilbrook comes into my partner's tree and the Leveson Tilbrook you found is my partner's direct ancestor.

I do have information from another researcher which has Charles snr enlisting 30th Nov 1837, aged 22yrs. I believe that his wife Isabella was Irish and apparently after Charles' death she remarried another Colour Sergeant and went to live in Ireland, this information I have yet to follow up.

I have the RMA information which Ken linked to and have followed James on the census as far as I can. His childrens' births match perfectly with where his regiment were based.

It seems that Charles snr was in Ireland between 1838 and 1844 (info from Musters and passed to me from the other researcher), which is why I believe that Isabella was possibly Irish, I may be wrong though!!!

From his death info, Charles snr was born at Wellinghampstead, Essex.

I have gotten no further back as yet!

Kindest Regards

Emma

[serendipitysearch]

Hi Emma,
                  Thank you for replying. I have not long started this search so I expect you are actually much further on than myself but it is only at Charles Snr and Isabella that the two lines intersect.

A lot of what you tell me here is very useful. I now know that Leveson (I had not come across this as a given name before but I am told usually pronounced Looson if used as a first name) is connected to Charles Jnr which I suspected and it appears that the children I found did indeed belong to James.  I knew Charles Snr had been to Ireland before Gibralter but had no details about his enlistment or a certificate of death to find his birth information. Thank you very much for pointing me in the right direction there.

The only information that I have, that might help you fill in some relatives information is about Charles Jnr.
He was born on 12th April 1847 in Gibralter to Charles and Isabella Tilbrook and baptised there as Charles (no sign of the Arthur until later) on 7th June  1847 by J Buchanan, Chaplain to the Forces.

I then have a marriage of an Arthur Charles Tilbrook age 23 and a soldier in 1870. I have not made the definitive proof link between the two people to show they are one and the same yet but the age, profession and name match and the father of the groom is described as Charles Tilbrook with the fathers profession left blank (maybe because he has died) and equally I cannot find him elsewhere.

He was married on 12th July 1870 to Martha Jane Cheetham who is described as age 17 (although she was described as 16 on the census the next year). They were married in St. James  Parish Church in Salford, Lancashire. They had a son James born in 1871 (my friends direct ancestor) and according to the census a son Joseph C born in 1870 in Eccles. I cannot find them on the birth indexes currently. 

Thank you again and I will now get on with looking up some of the information and let you know if I find anything fresh.

Regards
Steve

[serendipitysearch]

Hi Ken,
           Thank you for letting me know where the regiment was between 1886 and 1890. I found there was a Revel in France and also that Tallinn, the capital of Estonia was previously called Revel. So maybe this was the wrong Charles or he was in overland Transit or just visiting in a civilian role by then.

Regards,
Steve

[km1971]

I think you will have to buy the Revel certificate to be sure.

Ken

[Mrsk]

Hello Emma, Ken and Steve,

First of all,  I just spent some time writing to you all regarding Charles Tilbrook (the colour sergeant) and his son James (my 2nd and 3rd great grandfathers).  At the end I printed what I had written - thank goodness - because then it all disappeared and I have no idea where it all went
So if you see all this again, I apologize.

I have had difficulty researching this side of my family, but recently had some luck and turned up some helpful bits and peices.

Back to the story...Charles' son James was also in the 56th regiment.  In 1869, at the time of his marriage, he was a private at the Royal Barracks (in Dublin I believe as he married Mary Anne Hevey, (she was from Armagh, Ireland) at St. Paul's (COI) in Dublin.
Mary Ann was apparently a minor when they were married but Charles and her father Patrick were listed on the record of marriage, along with two witnesses.  Patrick Hevey was an "instructor of gunny on artillery (Militia)".

James must have been transferred to Athlone because that is where their first child, Isobella Jane was born in 1872.  Soon after that he was posted to India and Mary Anne and Isobella went along.  In 1873 Mary Ann was born in Poona and then a son in Karachee and another son on the Isle of Wight.  (Sorry I don't have the information at hand so I will have to fill you in on the years or birth and the names of the boys at a later date).  I have always assumed that the children were born wherever their father happened to be posted.  Eventually the family were relocated to England where they resided at the Little Barracks in Essex.
When Isabella was grown she married James Garman and they lived in Essex.  They proceeded to have seven daughters.  One of them, Mabel Dorothy Garman was my grandmother.  She married H. George Osborne at St. Margaret's, Barking and they had two daughters: E.M.E. (known as June) Osborne and Iris Marjorie Osborne.  June married Kenneth Kind, my parents.

I hope that this information might be of use to you too.  The Tilbrook information that I have come across, and also what you have written here, is quite confusing, I'm sure you'll agree.  Perhaps between us we can come up with some solutions that make sense!  Who knows, we could even be related!!  I wold love to hear from you if you have learned more about the Tilbrooks in the past year or two.

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[km1971]

...At the end I printed what I had written - thank goodness - because then it all disappeared and I have no idea where it all went ...

It is best to use (say) Word to compose longish posts. Then you can cut and paste it into the forum, after using the spell checker, and you have a copy should you press the wrong button etc.

Ken

[Mrsk]

Thanks Ken.  I should have thought of that myself!!  Next time....

[serendipitysearch]

Dear Mrsk,
                    I don’t know if I can provide anything else of interest for you since I was researching for a friend and passed it over to them shortly after I wrote my previous entry and I don’t believe they have done anything more.
   Since James’ father, the Colour Sergeant  Charles Snr died in Bermuda in 1853, then I assume you mean Charles Jnr, who was brother to James was on the 1869 Wedding Certificate as a witness. That seems logical as they were at The Royal Military Asylum together as pupils and both joined the 56th at a similar time. All I can contribute then in addition to what I have previously written is details of the death of Charles Arthur Tilbrook (Charles Jnr). I obtained the Death Certificate and it shows he died on 12th December 1889 aged 42 in Reval Russia. I think this is now in Estonia and sometimes spelt Revel. He was 2nd mate on board the SS Erota out of Grimsby and the death was registered by the Captain, T.D. Dowse. An interesting point to note is that it was a Death Certificate issued by the British Vice-Consulate in Reval and although there are many columns for relevant information, nowhere is there anywhere to enter a cause of death. That must have been left to the local authorities to decide/confirm and register locally.
   Sorry I can’t be of more help but good luck with your research and if I find out more I will return to the thread and post the relevant details.
Steve

[Mrsk]

Hi Emma,

It seems that we are looking for the same branch of the family!  My second great grandfather was James Tilbrook.  He married Mary Anne Hevey and their  oldest daughter was Isobella Jane Tillbrook, my great grandmother

James' father was Charles Tillbrook, but I think there may be more than one.  On James and Mary Anne's marriage record in 1869 it lists Charles Tillbrook as his father.  If your Charles died in Bermuda in 1853, it can't be the same person.  May be we can join forces and share our information.  Are you related to the Tilbrooks?  If so, how?

Regards,
Melodie