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Re: The elusive Gibbins branch of the family.
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 04 July 09 14:26 BST (UK) »
Will certainly keep you posted on any findings M. Its okay, didn't think  it was a sermon, just good advice. Am interested to see if Ann Gibbins had any children with Mr Hughes, by the time of the Bishop marriage I cannot imagine that subject was being considered. As long as I come up with a new lead or two I don't really mind.  TL 8) :)
Leics: Gibbins, White, Riddington, Peberdy, Spriggs,  Monk, Tolton, Lane, Carver, Kenney, Johnson, Saddington, Benskin
Rutland: White, Walker, Rose, Snowdin
Staffs: Tuft, Westwood
Shrops:Tuft, Adams, Dunbar

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Re: The elusive Gibbins branch of the family.
« Reply #37 on: Friday 03 September 10 15:26 BST (UK) »
Dear Totally Leicr,

Are you still stuck with the Gibbinses? I have been digging into them lately and I believe the key to your George, Ann (Bishop/Hughes) and Henry - and a Thomas - lie in the two P.C.C. Gibbins wills, one for Thomas Gibbins of Hallaton died 1796, and one for Henry Gibbins died 1838. You can download them direct from NAO. The Archdeaconry mainly don't help to unscramble your particular logjam with the Johnsons, but the PCC Thomas 1796 I think does.

Basically I think Thomas Gibbins (d 1796) married Elizabeth Ward 24 March 1753 at Blaston, and had Elizabeth (1755), Thomas (1756), William (1759), Jane (1761), Mary (1763), Henry (1765 - who died in 1838 and wrote a will), John (1767), Sarah (1770) and Robert (1772) - ! Elizabeth m Francis Osborn 1792: Jane married William Greenwood and had four children, the first three of them at Stamford, Lincs (1781) and the fourth, (James), at Ketton by Tixover in Rutland: Sarah had an unofficial son Richard and Robert had a son William.

The two important children of old Thomas for you are
(1) Thomas 1756, who married Elizabeth (I think it must be Elizabeth Dixon) at Hallaton in 1781 and had a huge string of children starting in 1782 - something like 17 of them - of whom nearly all died in infancy. However the second and third are George (bp 2 Feb 1783 Hallaton) and Ann (bp 14 Apr 1784)  (I think, later Ann Hughes, then Ann Bishop), Thomas (bp 23 May 1788) and HENRY (you were looking for a Henry there, and I said we'd have to invent him!!) baptized 21 Dec 1800.  [Ann 1782 was the first child and a mortality 1782, and there was an infant Henry in 1793]. The Thos & Eliz infant mortalities come right down in a continuous annual run to January 1800, so there is no problem with the gap in date between Thomas and Henry. In 1796, old Thomas in his will (codicil) refers to his three grandchildren by his eldest son Thomas, namely George Ann and Thomas - evidently as Henry is not yet born.

(2) Then there is Old Thomas's daughter Mary (1763). She made two marriages, both in Hallaton. The first is to John Ward a farmer (8 July 1783), and there are 7 children, mostly girls, of whom the only male to survive is Bryan (25 April 1791). He lived til 1855. But John Ward died around 1796 (Jane 1795 is his last child), and then Mary Gibbins (really by then, WARD, but married using her maiden name) married Thomas Johnson on 26 Nov 1798, and they had four children as well, namely Thomas (14 July 1799), William (5 Oct 1800), Ann Jane (27. June 1802) and Lucy (23 June 1805 - she died in 1839).

Then according to Henry Gibbins's will of 1838, (i.e. Mary Gibbins/Ward/Johnson's brother) his nephew Thomas Johnson (1799) also had a daughter called Ann Johnson.

For Ann Gibbins to be the aunt of your George Gibbins who is the miller at Thurmaston, George's father Henry has to be Ann's (much) younger brother Henry Gibbins (21.Xii.1800) and therefore his wife is Ann Jane Johnson (27,VI.1802).

It would therefore go like this:
* Old Thomas is the grandfather
* Thomas (1756) his son married Elizabeth Dixon 1781, Ann 1784 was their daughter, and Henry 1800 their much younger son.
* Mary (1763) sister of Thos 1756 married Thomas Johnson (her second husband) Hallaton 1798, and Ann Jane 1802 was her daughter.
* Henry son of Thomas and Elizabeth married his first cousin Ann Jane Johnson daughter of Thomas and Mary.
* George the miller of Thurmaston was the son of Henry and Ann Jane, and therefore the nephew of Ann (Gibbins/Hughes/Bishop), his father's elder sister.

Q.E.D.?

If you go for this, I THINK I can link you back to Henry Gibbins who died 1672.


PS Having said all that, it is still not DEFINITE that that is who Henry was. The 1838 Testator (Uncle Henry) makes a bequest to Ann Jane (Johnson) Gibbins his niece, but protects it from her husband's use or Coverture specifically. He names the husband as Henry Gibbins, Grazier, of Hallaton, but doesn't leave him anything, though he does make bequests to Ann Bishop - whom he identifies as his brother Thomas Gibbins's daughter - and to her brother Thomas, but not to her brother George. So Henry, if he was indeed that brother of Ann's, doesn't get his own bequest, and is prevented from making use of Ann Jane's little windfall. She, on the other hand, gets quite a good mention as she not only has the annual dividends from an investment of £150, for life, or until she chooses to dissolve the investment, not liable to the controul, debts or engagements of her present or any future husband, but later on in the will she also gets a separate lump sum bequest of £50.

All this doesn't rule out Henry being Ann's younger brother, but it does pose the question why uncle Henry didn't leave him anything if so. Perhaps he was inclined to debt and they preferred to make sure that Ann Jane was going to be provided for.

Anyhow there is much to ponder and follow up here.

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Re: The elusive Gibbins branch of the family.
« Reply #38 on: Monday 11 April 11 16:59 BST (UK) »
I haven't followed this thread in detail but the following are the Gibbins in my transcript of Hallaton.a
Baptisms
27   6   1730   mary      d   thomas            gibins
26   12   1731   john      s   thomas      jane      gibins
26   7   1738   john      s   thomas      jane      gibbins
1   6   1740   elizabeth      d   thomas      jane      gibbins
10   6   1742   henry      s   thomas      jane      gibbins
3   10   1742   william      s   william      sarah      gibbins
19   4   1744   thomas      s   thomas      jane      gibins
19   4   1744   william      s   william      sarah      gibins
7   3   1747   elizabeth      d   william      sarah      gibbins
6   9   1747   thomas      s   thomas      sarah      gibbins
26   2   1748   william      s   thomas      sarah      gibbins
4   5   1750   thomas      s   william      sarah      gibbins
14   6   1750   john      s   henry      elizabeth      gibbins
29   11   1750   benjamin      s   william      catharine      gibbins
5   4   1751   henry      s   thomas      sarah      gibbins
4   3   1753   william      s   william      catharine      gibbins
13   6   1753   mary      d   thomas      sarah      gibbins
30   6   1754   edward      s   thomas      sarah      gibbins
13   2   1755   elizabeth      d   thomas      elizabeth      gibbins
30   12   1756   thomas      s   thomas      elizabeth      gibbins
16   9   1758   edward      s   thomas      sarah      gibbins
   1   1759   catharine      d   william      catherine      gibbins
   1   1759   william      s   thomas      elizabeth      gibbins
26   2   1761   jane      d   thomas      elizabeth      gibbins
11   7   1762   mary      d   william      catharine      gibbins
15   4   1763   mary      d   thomas      elizabeth      gibbins
28   2   1765   henry      s   thomas      elizabeth      gibbins
10   11   1765   jane      d   john      elizabeth      gibbins
9   7   1767   john      s   thomas      elizabeth      gibbins
25   12   1767   john      s   john      elizabeth      gibbins
23   2   1770   sarah      d   thomas      elizabeth      gibbins
14   4   1770   elizabeth      d   john      elizabeth      gibbins
17   5   1772   robert      s   thomas      elizabeth      gibbins
16   5   1784   susannah      d   thomas      elizabeth      gibbins
12   12   1792   john      s   thomas      sarah      gibbins
31   5   1795   susannah      d   thomas      sarah      gibbins
6   5   1798   elizabeth      d   thomas      sarah      gibbins
21   12   1800   henry      s   thomas      elizabeth      gibbins
15   2   1801   william      s   thomas      sarah      gibbins
12   10   1801   john      s   john      elizabeth      gibbins
1   5   1803   mary      d   john      elizabeth      gibbins
13   11   1803   sarah      d   thomas      sarah      gibbins
3   6   1804   robert      s   john      elizabeth      gibbins
22   6   1806   elizabeth      d   john      elizabeth      gibbins
6   3   1808   ann      d   john      elizabeth      gibbins
15   4   1810   thomas      s   john      elizabeth      gibbins
?   11   1811   jane      s   john      elizabeth      gibbins
25   4   1814   william      s   john      elizabeth      gibbins
28   4   1816   thomas      s   john      elizabeth      gibbins
22   11   1817   george      s   john      elizabeth      gibbins
27   2   1820   henry      s   john      elizabeth      gibbins
20   8   1821   elizabeth      d   john      mary      gibbins
30   8   1821   frances      d   john      elizabeth      gibbins
11   2   1823   william      s   john      mary      gibbins
20   6   1824   joseph      s   john      elizabeth      gibbins
27   12   1825   anne      d   john      mary      gibbins
29   5   1826   elizabeth   ann   d   henry      ann      gibbins
2   9   1827   kezia      d   richard      mary      gibbins
   6   1828   ann   maria   d   henry      jane      gibbins
6   6   1830   thomas      s   henry      ann   jane   gibbins
4   3   1832   mary      d   henry      ann      gibbins
22   9   1833   jane      d   henry      ann   jane   gibbins
8   6   1834   alfred      s   william      eleanor      gibbins
24   8   1835   mary      d   william      frances      gibbins
22   9   1835   jane      d   henry      ann   jane   gibbins
8   3   1836   louisa      d   william      elinor      gibbins
1   9   1837   amelia      d   henry      ann   jane   gibbins
2   8   1838   christina      d   william      elizabeth      gibbins
27   9   1838   elizabeth      d   william      frances      gibbins
28   6   1840   fanny      d   henry      ann   jane   gibbins
11   10   1840   elinor      d   william      elinor      gibbins
12   4   1841   william      s   william      frances      gibbins
8   11   1846   brian   william   s   william      frances      gibbins
1   4   1853   emily      d   william      eleanor      gibbins


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Re: The elusive Gibbins branch of the family.
« Reply #39 on: Monday 11 April 11 17:00 BST (UK) »
Marriages
John   King   Great Easton   Sarah   Gibbins      otp   31   5   1741
William   Johnson      Elizabeth   Gibbins         2   1   1749
Thomas   Fawks   Colliweston   Elizabeth   Gibbins   Otp      3   3   1752
John   Wing      Elizabeth   Gibbins         2   7   1755
William   Warren   Maidwell, Northants   Ann   Gibbins         9   1   1758
John   Cogan   Rothwell   Catharine   Gibbins            9   1760
Robert   Grant      Sarah   Gibbons   Otp      26   1   1764
John   Reeve   Melham/Nelham   Elizabeth   Gibbons   Otp      23   2   1773
William   Greenwood   St George In Stanford, Lincs   Jane   Gibbins      otp   7   8   1780
John   Ward      Mary   Gibbins         8   7   1783
John   Pain   Medbourne   Jane   Gibbins      otp   15   9   1788
Frances   Osborn   Colliweston, Northamptonshire   Elizabeth   Gibbins      otp   16   1   1792
Henry   Spencer   Cranhoe   Mary   Gibbins      otp   12   7   1796
James   Buzzard      Elizabeth   Gibbins      botp   11   2   1800
William   Baines      Ann   Gibbins      botp   28   4   1816
Henry   Ward      Elizabeth   Gibbins      botp   2   6   1824
Thomas   Holland      Susannah   Gibbins      botp   23   8   1827

Thomas   Gibbins   Otp   Jane   Bond      glooston   14   3   1736
Thomas   Gibbins      Sarah   Carter         9   10   1745
Henry   Gibbins      Elizabeth   Sewell         16   10   1748
Thomas   Gibbins      Ann   Lewin         17   5   1759
William   Gibson   Great Bowden   Mary   Paine      otp   23   4   1775
William   Gibbon   Great Bowden   Mary   Paine      otp         1776
Thomas   Gibbins      Elizabeth   Dixon      botp   31   12   1781
Thomas   Gibbins      Elizabeth   Burton   Widow   botp   5   12   1783
William   Gibbins   Gainsborough, Lincs   Elizabeth   Bosden      otp   9   5   1793
John   Gibbins      Elizabeth   Bolton      botp   25   4   1798
John   Gibbins      Elizabeth   Pateman      botp   17   10   1800
John   Gibbins      Ann   Blythe      botp   16   4   1815
Richard   Gibbins   Otp   Mary   Tunnicliffe   Otp      11   5   1826
William   Gibbins   Blaston   Martha   Tunnicliffe   Otp      1   12   1829
Richard   Gibbins      Elizabeth   Sanderson   Sp   botp   18   9   1834

Burials
thomas      gibbins      9   5   1730   
mary      gibbins      10   6   1733   
william      gibbins      1   4   1734   
william      gibbins      11   1   1734   
sarah      gibbins      25   2   1734   
william      gibbins      12   7   1736   
william      gibbins      5   11   1742   
john      gibbins      22   3   1742   
prudence      gibins      27   3   1743   
robert      gibins      14   5   1743   
william      gibbins      13   1   1743   
benjamin      gibins      4   5   1744   
ann      gibbins      11   12   1745   
jane      gibbins      15   11   1747   
katharine      gibbins      15   11   1747   
thomas      gibbins      14   5   1748   
mary      gibbins      18   12   1754   
edward      gibbins      8   7   1755   
sarah      gibbins      4   6   1757   
susannah      gibbins      9   3   1759   
thomas      gibbins         3   1760   
henry      gibbins      20   9   1760   
william      gibbins      13   5   1763   
elizabeth      gibbins      21   3   1764   
elizabeth      gibbins      12   7   1764   
elizabeth      gibbins      9   11   1764   
thomas      gibbins      18   6   1765   
edward      gibbins      4   6   1767   
william      gibbons      30   10   1773   
jane      gibbons      4   11   1773   
sarah      gibbins      3   8   1779   
ann      gibbins      24   11   1782   
sarah      gibbins      24   7   1784   10w 6d
elizabeth      gibbins   chapelry of st michael in blaston   24   2   1786   8m
elizabeth      gibbins   blaston   25   8   1786   13w
mary      gibbins      18   10   1787   18w
frances      gibbins   blaston   29   8   1789   16w
william      gibbins   blaston   11   11   1790   3m
elizabeth      gibbins      9   1   1791   30
thomas      gibbins      23   2   1791   68
elizabeth      gibbins   blaston   3   11   1791   8m
william      gibbins      4   10   1792   76?
henry      gibbins      28   1   1793   inf
ann      gibbins      1   7   1793   69
robert      gibbins   blaston   24   1   1794   4months
jane      gibbins   blaston   24   4   1795   7m
william      gibbins      6   5   1796   78
thomas      gibbins      12   7   1796   73
elizabeth      gibbins      25   10   1799   65
susanna      gibbins   blaston   6   5   1800   15m
john      gibbins      2   6   1804   72
elizabeth      gibbins      1   5   1808   6
catharine      gibbins      21   5   1808   81
william      gibbins      21   9   1808   7
thomas      gibbins      17   6   1811   1
elizabeth      gibbins      22   6   1813   44
elizabeth      gibbins      15   4   1814   79
john      gibbins      1   1   1816   50
mary      gibbins      2   6   1821   18
elizabeth      gibbins      25   4   1822   8 months
sarah      gibbins      14   10   1822   63
elizabeth      gibbins   hallaton   19   11   1824   45
john      gibbins   hallaton   2   11   1826   57
thomas      gibbins   blaston   29   3   1827   70
robert      gibbins   hallaton   18   4   1827   22
thomas      gibbins   hallaton   28   6   1827   77
mary      gibbins   hallaton   8   7   1828   28
martha      gibbins   blaston   18   5   1831   24
mary      gibbins   blaston   2   8   1831   7 m
jane      gibbins   hallaton   5   6   1834   9 m
thomas      gibbins      29   10   1835   47
henry      gibbins      24   8   1838   73
elizabeth      gibbins      17   1   1842   81
emma      gibbins      8   3   1842   1y 5m
helen elizabeth      gibbins      10   10   1852   3 months
emily      gibbins      2   4   1853   2 weeks
sarah      gibbins      20   5   1854   84
ellen      gibbins      8   1   1856   40
louise      gibbins      17   4   1856   20
christina      gibbins      29   1   1859   21
henry      gibbins      22   8   1860   60
richard      gibbins      22   12   1866   68
elizabeth      gibbins      26   1   1869   71

I hope this hasn't muddied the waters too much.



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Re: The elusive Gibbins branch of the family.
« Reply #40 on: Thursday 02 June 11 16:08 BST (UK) »
Totally Leics - I wonder if I can ask if you might connect with some Gibbinses I'm researching?

I have a John William Cove GIBBINS b. approx 1860 in Leicester (according to the 1881 census) who is a bit of a mystery at the moment.
He may also have been known as Ernest (his son certainly thought so anyway!).

I have him in Hastings, Sussex in 1890 when his son Victor Arthur was born but can't find him so far after that.
Also, Victor seemed to change his name to GIBBONS which confuses things further.

John/Ernest calls himself an 'actor' - family story goes that he worked in the circus (a lion tamer along with his wife who were both killed by the lions....) - so I think he might be fairly itinerant, though he was in Hastings in 1881 too.

He married Margaret Hannah MEWBURN (though can't find the marriage) sometime between 1881 & 1890. She is a bit of a mystery too.

Any help appreciated, Katy

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Re: The elusive Gibbins branch of the family.
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 20 July 11 04:43 BST (UK) »
The title of your enquiry should be 'The Elusive Gibbins/Gibbons of Medbourne and Tugby, Leicestershire'.  How elusive they are I am not sure.  It is just a matter of looking in the right place. I  also suspect that many of them still live in the area even if they have changed the spelling of their last name to Gibbons which I know has occurred in one case. 

I saw your enquiry  regarding the elusive Gibbins in RootsChat.com  whilst trawling around Google.  I am sorry it has taken so long to find it.  In that enquiry for information I noticed references to Thomas Gibbins who married Jane Freestone and one of his sons William who married Elizabeth Brewster.  Further on it was noted that William had seven children.  That is correct. They were:

Thomas; B. 10th November 1800 D. 28 December 1800,
Henry; B. 3rd November 1801,
Sarah; B. 4th January  1804,
Robert; B. 15th December 1805,
William; B. 7th December 1807,
Elizabeth; B. 3rd April 1810, and
Jane; B. 21st February 1813.

Of those children my main interest has been in Henry who married Ann Phillips.   In 1852 Henry and his entire family immigrated on the 'Duke of Richmond'  as Assisted Migrants to Port Fairy, Victoria, Australia.  They arrived in Australia in March 1853. 

Finding employment they settled down in Port Fairy they lived in Union Street.  Henry finally died there on the 8th January 1855.  His three sons: William, Francis and Edward, went on to run a carriage business, hotels and go into farming in around Western Victoria.  All up Henry had ten children the last one Ann dying on the voyage out.  A search of the Byaduk (Victoria, Australia) Pioneers will produce a photo of the said pioneers in 1907 outside the Byaduk Methodist Church.  One of those pioneers was:

“William Gibbins: 1837-1925, born Tugby, Leicestershire, England, son of Henry Gibbins and Ann Phillips.   William married in 1863 at Byaduk, Vic to Sarah Clarke (1844-1903), born Suffork, England, daughter of Samual Clarke and Maria Pratt.”

Other members of the family having been given land grants which they leased from the government moved further north to Kalkee; 18 miles north of Horsham, Victoria.

The history of Henry and Ann Gibbins' family has been written up in a limited edition family history book by Melva Gibbins titled 'They Came From Leicestershire: A history of the Decendants of Henry and Ann Gibbins in Australia from 1853-1988'

Another very recent (2010) little book of interest would be: 'Tugby & Keythorpe Through The Ages' by Maureen Bullows.  The Gibbins/Gibbons get quite a few mentions in it.

As for those left in Leicestershire  I know that one family have since changed their surname from Gibbins to Gibbons.  I suggest you follow up this line of inquiry.  For instance typing into Google Gibbins Medbourne will bring up a number of instances of Gibbins/Gibbons.  How you sort them out may requre someone on the spot.

I hope you find this useful,

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Re: The elusive Gibbins branch of the family.
« Reply #42 on: Friday 30 January 15 00:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi All
Re: Robert Gibbins Milton Ernest Bedfordshire ( through Hallaton apparently)

I wish to thank everyone involved in this discussion as I believe you all have contributed sledgehammers to a brick wall I have had. I still need confirmations but I am confident I am 90% through the wall.

I have inherited some family info that was/is at odds with what is here but I am happy to recognise the 1st rule of genealogy ' Just because someone says so doesn't mean its right'

Background.

My dads cousin had been given some information from a person in England at a time when Typewriters and Airmail were the only tools available for us in the outposts. Now this information was purported to be from Headstone Info so was taken as gospel.

This stated that Robert was born 1765 and died 1815. He did die in 1815 and he did live in Bedfordshire, but its his birth and ancestry that has been missing. He married Elizabeth Swannell in 1803 and had at least 6 children between 1804 and 1814. I am descended through William Pancoust/Pancras ( I believe Pancoust) Gibbins the 1st born.

Where this board has helped is that Roberts 3rd child Henry had 7 children in the Bromham Beds area. ( I promise I will get back to Leicestershire). 1 of Henrys sons was named Bryan Ward Gibbins which links through Family Naming Patterns to Mercians post

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(2) Then there is Old Thomas's daughter Mary (1763). She made two marriages, both in Hallaton. The first is to John Ward a farmer (8 July 1783), and there are 7 children, mostly girls, of whom the only male to survive is Bryan (25 April 1791). He lived til 1855. But John Ward died around 1796 (Jane 1795 is his last child), and then Mary Gibbins (really by then, WARD, but married using her maiden name) married Thomas Johnson on 26 Nov 1798, and they had four children as well, namely Thomas (14 July 1799), William (5 Oct 1800), Ann Jane (27. June 1802) and Lucy (23 June 1805 - she died in 1839).

But the brickwall is that Mercian says that Robert was born in 1772 .

Can someone confirm that the Robert born in 1772 was the one who moved to Milton Ernest and had enough funds to purchase the Manor there or am I still looking elsewhere?

From Milton Ernest History
Mrs. Stuckley later owned the manor and left it by will to Withers Bramston, (fn. 42) who was holding in 1799. (fn. 43) The same year Arthur Bramston sold it to Robert Gibbins, (fn. 44) whose name appears in the Inclosure Award in 1803. (fn. 45)

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Paternal: Gibbins,McNamara, Jenkins, Schumann,  Inwood, Sheehan, Quinlan, Tierney, Cole

Maternal: Munn, Simpson , Brighton, Clayfield, Westmacott, Corbell, Hatherell, Blacksell/Blackstone, Boothey , Muirhead

Son: Bull, Kneebone, Lehmann, Cronin, Fowler, Yates, Biglands, Rix, Carpenter, Pethick, Carrick, Male, London, Jacka, Tilbrook, Scott, Hampshire, Buckley

Brickwalls-   Schumann, Simpson,Westmacott/Wennicot
Scott, Cronin
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Re: The elusive Gibbins branch of the family.
« Reply #43 on: Friday 30 January 15 02:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi dgibbins02 I think I can help you with that a bit.

The date 17.v.1772 for the Hallaton baptism of Robert Gibbins falls in a series which I read as follows: children of Thomas Gibbins (1723-1796) and Elizabeth Ward, married St Michael Blaston 24.iii.1753, seem to be: (1) Elizabeth (bap 13.ii.1755, d. 30.iii.1817), married Francis Osburn of Collyweston at Hallaton, 16.i.1792, and she has an MI at Hallaton. (2) Thomas (bap. 30.xii.1756, d. 24.iii.1827), who mar Elizabeth (?Dixon, 31.xii.1781): she died 12.i.1842 aged 82 (MI at Hallaton). (3) William bap 5.i.1759 (no more info). (4) Jane (bap 26.ii.1761, d. before 1792), mar. William Greenwood (& 4 children at Stanford and Ketton by Tixover, 1781-87); (5) Mary (bap. 15.iv.1763, who made two marriages, first John Ward 1783, second Thomas Johnson 1798, as described in earlier message above): (6) HENRY (28.iii.1765-29.vii.1838), who lived at Hallaton with Sarah his sister and left an important WILL; (7) John (12.vii.1767); (8 ) Sarah (22.ii.1770-16.v.1854 aged 84, natural mother of Richard Gibbins) and lastly, (9) Robert baptized 17.v.1772. Now he might have died and there could be another Robert a year or two later, but either this 1772 Robert or a clone of him must be the one you have down for 1775.

Because, in the will of this HENRY (written 1835, proved 1839), which you need to get hold of, (it's the P.C.C. will of Henry Gibbins the elder of Hallaton, so you should be able to see it for free in Ancestry or pay a small sum from T.N.A.) he lists all sorts of interesting relationships and especially of interest to you, he leaves 'the sum of fifty pounds to my nephew William Pancras Gibbins son of my late brother Robert Gibbins' so that leaves no doubt at all who Robert is.

It means that Robert is the son of Thomas and Elizabeth, as above: this Thomas has the PCC will dated 1796, Thomas Gibbins of Halloughton Grazier ('my sons Henry Gibbins John Gibbins Robert Gibbins and William Gibbins the sum of sixty pounds apiece' etc.... 'Bryan Ward son of my said son-in-law John Ward by Mary his wife...' etc etc).  As I figure it, this Thomas is the son of Thomas Gibbins (who died in 1743 and left a will) and his wife Jane Pateman: and that Thomas who died in 1743 was apparently the son of Henry Gibbins who died in 1692 (leaving a will) and his (?second) wife Sarah, who left a will dated 1734/5. Henry (first marriage) is my 8 x great grandfather and therefore his father also Henry (married to Alis), who died at Hallaton in 1679 and left a will, is my 9 x g -gf. From that early will you can trace the division of the land and Closes which the Gibbinses acquired in the 17th century being passed down through various brothers and uncles.

I hope this is all interesting to you (dear long-lost coz.), and not too repetitous... I hadn't really looked at this posting for ages, but it's exciting to make the link!

It would be really helpful to me if - if you have them handy - you could post the children of Robert with their dates and places, somewhere in this forum. It's very nice to be able to add something about him.

Thanks and best wishes

Mercian

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Re: The elusive Gibbins branch of the family.
« Reply #44 on: Friday 30 January 15 11:29 GMT (UK) »
Wow

Thank you Mercian.  :)

I will take my time going through all that. Its fascinating where it all takes us.

As requested

Robert Gibbins married Elizabeth Swannell in Tyringham Buckingham 31.March.1803 Elizabeth was 20.

They had 6 children that I know of

From IGI/FS site
William Pancras christened 22.June.1804 died 18 June 1871 ( he is my direct ancestor) married Cyanna Alison Coles
He had 12 children
Robert Gibbins christened 17 November 1805 died 27 March 1807
Henry Ward Gibbins  christened 26 April 1807 died ca June 1889 ( Bromham Beds) married Elizabeth Hulatt
He had 7 children
Bryan Ward Gibbins  christened 19 July 1808 died 16 January 1873 no marriage info
Mary Gibbins born 31 October 1810 christened Harpur St Wesleyan-Methodist Bedford 12 November 1813 died ?? married Thomas Crad(d)ock
Elizabeth Gibbins born 26 August 1813 (as above with Mary 12 November 1813 died 23 May 1814

All born Milton Ernest Bedfordshire

And as Robert was listed as dying in 1815 I am confident 6 is all

These dates may be out by a few months but thats the basics I have

I went with Pancoust for William as the info I had suggested William Swannell ( Elizabeths father) married a Mary Pancoust. William Swannell was born in Pavenham Bedfordshire and I wont go further as it is ''internet genealogy'' without sources.  8) - though it gives direction.

I will take your advice on the will as some of my info on the Swannells came from an online will.



So , is Leicestershire somewhere I can put on a resume or do I put a neighbouring county  ;D


Genealogy-Its a family thing

Paternal: Gibbins,McNamara, Jenkins, Schumann,  Inwood, Sheehan, Quinlan, Tierney, Cole

Maternal: Munn, Simpson , Brighton, Clayfield, Westmacott, Corbell, Hatherell, Blacksell/Blackstone, Boothey , Muirhead

Son: Bull, Kneebone, Lehmann, Cronin, Fowler, Yates, Biglands, Rix, Carpenter, Pethick, Carrick, Male, London, Jacka, Tilbrook, Scott, Hampshire, Buckley

Brickwalls-   Schumann, Simpson,Westmacott/Wennicot
Scott, Cronin
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