ipstones marriage lookup?

[edge9]

does anyone have access to the parish registers of st.leonards ipstones.i am interested in the following marriage.

         SAMUEL EGERTON to SARAH FERNYHOUGH
                       
                                 JULY 9 1805.

                                                                                            thank you.

[trish1120]

I cant help with Parish Records but this caught my eye

Sarah FERNIHOUGH
Christened 13 July 1783, Ipstones, Stafford
Parents, John and Mary

Marriages often occurred in Brides parish. It is a submitted record but has batch no.If you check it out on familysearch the batch has other children and couple of deaths as well for probably earlier generation.

Trish

[Billy_B]

I cant help with Parish Records but this caught my eye

Sarah FERNIHOUGH
Christened 13 July 1783, Ipstones, Stafford
Parents, John and Mary

Marriages often occurred in Brides parish. It is a submitted record but has batch no.If you check it out on familysearch the batch has other children and couple of deaths as well for probably earlier generation.

It may be the Sarah Fernihough I am looking for on my wife's side of the family.

She married Solomon Ash in St Edward the Confessor's in Leek (which seems the go-to place for the Ashes over the centuries) on August 15th, 1803.

The marriage immediately afterwards was between a John Fernihough and a Hannah Ash - he is, as far as I can tell, the son of John and Mary Fernihough, baptised in St Leonard's on Mar 9th, 1778; she is the daughter of another Solomon Ash who might be the first Solomon Ash's uncle or father (the relevant pages of the St Edward the Confessor's parish records are too faded to make anything out for Solomon Ash's birth).

Both marriages are witness by Wm Beresford and W Hilliard.

We have Sarah Ash already widowed and living with her children in the 1841 census (and Phoebe Fallows nee Ash, who is either her husband Solomon's half-sister or first cousin):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQT3-PYJ

And, crucially, in the 1851 census we have her back in Ipstones with another son and grandson where she is listed as coming from Ipstones:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKKM-VCZG

She died in Ipstones in 1859 aged 79 and is buried there - her fine gravestone (carved by the grandson) stands in the far corner of the older part of St Leonard's churchyard:
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http://i40.tinypic.com/a0xt2x.jpg

Now all estimates but her birth around 1870-1871, but given what looks to be a double family wedding (the Ashes and Fernihoughs interweave throughout the extended family tree, but that is the first pair of weddings on the same day), it does suggest she is closely related to John and Mary. So it is a good fit for her being that Sarah Fernihough. However, the St Leonard's parish records are painful to go through and another one born a couple of years earlier might have slipped through the net.

Oh and the original query better late than never:

does anyone have access to the parish registers of st.leonards ipstones.i am interested in the following marriage.

         SAMUEL EGERTON to SARAH FERNYHOUGH
                       
                                 JULY 9 1805.

                                                                                            thank you.

It says the following:

Samuel Egerton of Barlaston parish aged 21 & upwards bachelor and Sarah Fernyhough of this parish were married by licence (granted by Wm Fernyhough clerk & [something I can't read]) on this ninth day of July 1805 by me William Carlisle curate. They both sign their names (she signs it Fernihough) and the witnesses are Hannah Fernihough and Wm Bridgwood.

It could easily be the same Hannah Fernihough (Ash) signature - she certainly doesn't seem used to such a long surname as she runs out of room and has to put the "gh" tucked underneath. Interestingly, both Sarah Fernihoughs' signatures are rather shaky and poor quality, while Solomon Ash's and John Fernihough's are stronger and more confident (the Ashes seemed capable of reading and writing as far back as we can find records).

[edge9]

hello BILLY_B,

thank you for taking the time to reply to me.i can confirm with you that that birth entry is not my sarah fernyhough.mine was the daughter of JOSIAH and CATHERINE.if you are ever on FINDMYPAST you will be able to view SOLOMAN ASH and JOHN FERNYHOUGH'S wills.i would say your sarah is iikely that entry,daughter of john and mary fernyhough.
                           
                                                  thanks again.
                               

[Billy_B]

hello BILLY_B,

thank you for taking the time to reply to me.i can confirm with you that that birth entry is not my sarah fernyhough.mine was the daughter of JOSIAH and CATHERINE.if you are ever on FINDMYPAST you will be able to view SOLOMAN ASH and JOHN FERNYHOUGH'S wills.i would say your sarah is iikely that entry,daughter of john and mary fernyhough.
                           
                                                  thanks again.

Thanks for the pointer on the wills - I had found the index for them earlier, but that tip has saved me a lengthy drive to Lichfield and a few hours going through the records!! While Solomon Ash and John Fernyhough's wills didn't reveal much new (especially about Solomon's parentage), I though I'd look for the wills of Solomon's potential fathers - Samson (father of Phoebe Fallows, who is living with Sarah Ash) and the older Solomon Ash. I can't find the will for the former, but I found the latter's will which was very helpful as he names all his surviving children (and spouses of the girls, of whom he had a number including Hannah who married John Fernihough) and grandchildren which includes Solomon Ash jnr and the two children he had at the time with Sarah, John and Hannah (I had her down as Ann, but that is good enough for me). So that has solved one of the big mysteries in the family tree that had proved difficult to crack!! So this has worked out nicely. 

On Sarah Ash - the disparity in age estimate and the christening makes me a little nervous that there might be another christening that I can't find around 1871-1873, but that is definitely the best fit for our Sarah, and the fact that Solomon and Hannah Ash are siblings, certainly makes it look like the double wedding is with Fernihough siblings too.

[Billy_B]

On Sarah Ash - the disparity in age estimate and the christening makes me a little nervous that there might be another christening that I can't find around 1871-1873, but that is definitely the best fit for our Sarah, and the fact that Solomon and Hannah Ash are siblings, certainly makes it look like the double wedding is with Fernihough siblings too.

And as I was heading off to bed, I realised you didn't mean Solomon Ash and John Fernihough, but their father's Solomon Ash and John Fernihough, respectively (it's like they are trying to confuse me) and when I look up the will of the older John Fernihough I see he mentions his daughter Sarah Ash, wife of Solomon Ash. So that is nailed down. A quick consultation on ecumenical matters suggests that while Catholics get their children baptised as soon as possible, in the C of E they can wait for them to be toddlers. So a c. 1781 birth is not inconsistent with a 1783 baptism. So that all looks to be cast iron.

So I've managed to add a lot of information to the family tree and we have got the two Sarah Fernihoughs separated out into their right families, which could have caused confusion. So good work all round. Thanks everyone for their help. Now I'm off to go fishing for more wills.