Thomas CRONIN of County Down

[contarini]

Hello Fiona,

I sent you a personal message on 30th October about your Cronin ancestors, but sadly so far no response from you...  I am wondering whether you may not have received my message?

[Fionamc]

Hi,im not totally sure how to work this website.
If you want to email me there i can ask my mum for any info she would have. I didnt know any of my Grandads family apart from his cousin. But my grandad was Gerald,he was town clerk in newry and his grandfather was a surgeon

[Sinann]

Fionamc you now have 2 post so should be able to receive the private message, please modify your post to remove your email as personal emails are not allowed on the open board.

New members must make at least 2 post before they can receive or send PMs

[contarini]

Many thanks Fiona, I'll email you directly...

[BallyaltikilliganG]

Questions for Sandra as she is active currently.
The connecting of 4 or 5  Cronin born Ireland syblings to Cronin living in Cumberland, England, is based on a Crilly connection. (Mary Cronin m date ? location ?Thomas Crilly) .  The youngest sibling Francis junior b 1854 ireland  so unlikely to be in an England census before 1861 census. [ however the 1861 has an Joseph Cronin b Cumberland 1836 boarding in Bent st Liverpool Cronin the earliest mention for the family is the 1871 census.? The apparent father Francis Cronin b 1806 Co Down d 1870 Cleator civil parish. any obituary or further information ? is he cited after death on marriage certificates? You mention the family entry in 1891 census  is under Orimen. I couldn’t find  please full source

so I have built up a draft tree
1. Francis Cronin b~ 1806 Co Down d 1879 died at Cleator Moor in 1870 m Ireland Mrs Cronin who possibly d in Ireland
children in birth order except where 1.5 fits if atall
1.1.  Mary Cronin b1843 ireland -4 m Thomas Crilly b 1846 ireland source Census 1871 address Jacktrees rd cleator
children in birth order except where 1.5 first if atall.
Francis Crilly b 1871 Cumberland  [A Thomas crilly m Elizabeth Fearon in 1902 freebmds]
1.2.  Thomas Cronin b 1845 d Egremont. Cumberland d1898.m1869 [2nd qter ]Sarah Jane Atkinson b whitehaven in Whitehaven District. Cumberland in 1869. 
children
1.2.1 .Francis Cronin  b 1877 Egremont   1881 census Egremont Drummond st
in the house is James duair b 1860 an iron ore miner  perhaps Thomas’s sister Mary
1.3. Catherine Cronin b 1849 ireland stayed with sister mary in 1871 english census may have returned to Ireland WHY? or emmigrated
1.4. Francis Cronin b 1854 ireland
1.5 possible Patrick Cronin suggestion as he is a witness Any more BMD about him   available about him   ?

Are you able to explain 1901 census who were the Cronins living as children of Sarah Brocklebank High Hensingham Cumberland
Francis Cronin b 1877 son Egremont coal miner hewer
Sarah Cronin 1881 daughter domestic servant Egremont
Elizabeth Cronin daughter domestic servant b1883 Egremont
Catherine Cronin daughter b1889 Egremont

1911 census  4 Croft Terrace Egremont Cumberland
Francis Cronin b 1860 ireland miner at face
Mary Cronin b 1858 Scotland
children
Elizabeth b 1888 Egremont
James Cronin b 1892 Egremont Labourer Miner's Below Ground
Norah Cronin b 1897 Egremont

odds and ends
a Catherine CRONIN m 1913 Whitehaven Henry PARK familysearch.org

did anybody contact gardenboy’s offer re Cumbria Cronin he has only done this single message.







moving to irish records
the name Anastasia was used in the Crilly family in ireland.  i don’t think the Cronin use is connected. as there were at least 1366 associated in 1901 never the less
Cronin   Anastasia              Clasharinka   Ightermurragh   Cork   9   F
Cronin   Anastasia Margt   Bridge Street   Newry West Urban   Down   27   F
are in those census linking Cork And Newry
the irish census 1901 and 1911 are freely available  at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie

notes edfly contribution Patrick Flynn of County Down married Annie Cronin.  They were both born abt 1800.  Their son, John C. Flynn, emigrated to the States in 1855,on Aurora  ‘ going to friends’ . in 1860 census see familysearch.orgthe Louisville flynns are in Jefferson, Kentucky, United States Edfly which one is your family
John Flynn Census, 1860birth:1831Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 8th Ward, with occupants Ann Flynn, Michael Flynn, Patrick Flynn
John G Flynn Census, 1860birth:1801Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 3rd Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United Statesother:
Mary Flynn, Mary Noland, Wm J Noland, Jackson Noland, Eliza Noland, Emma Trautman…
John FlynnUnited States Census, 1860birth:1830Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 8th Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United Statesother:
Johanna Flynn
John FlynnUnited States Census, 1860birth:1837Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 6th Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United Statesother:
Mary Flynn
View the record detailsView the image
John FlynnUnited States Census, 1860birth:1834Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 6th Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United Statesother:
Nicholas Sanol, Catherine Sanol, Mary Sanol, Margrett Sanol, Patrick Hearney, John…
John FlynnUnited States Census (Slave Schedule), 1860residence:1860Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, United StatesView the record detailsView the image
Johanna FlynnUnited States Census, 1860birth:1832Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 8th Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United Statesother:
John Flynn
John FlinnUnited States Census, 1860birth:1820Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 1st Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United Statesother:
Ann Flinn, Bartley Ryan, Mary Ryan, John Ryan, James Ryan, Ellen Ryan, Julia Ryan
Johannah FlynnUnited States Census, 1860birth:1840Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 6th Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United States
Louisville City 6th Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United States
there are too man flynns and Cronin to connect without a bible or church record turning up. You should start your own topic I humbly suggest after some more American research.
end of part one

[BallyaltikilliganG]

turning to Irelands census



1901 22 in Bridge Street (Newry West Urban, Down)
 Patrick and Mary Cronin family in 22 Bridge st move to 1 in Corry Square (Newry West Urban, Down) details added in to1911 census below

1901 &1911 1Census     1 in Dromalane Road (Newry West Urban, Down)
Cronin Patrick 47[b~1865][38in01] Male Head of Family Roman CatholicNewry Commercial Clerk Read and write - Married - 20 [m~1892] 3 3  Cronin Mary 47][38in01]  Female Wife Roman Catholic Newry - Read and write – m 20 [m~1892] 3 3 
children
1. Cronin Frances 19 [9in01] Female Daughter Roman Catholic Newry Typist Read& write  Single-
2. Cronin Denis 16 [6in01]Male Son Roman Catholic Newry Builders Apprentice Read & write –
3. Cronin Richard 13 [3in01]Male Son Roman Catholic Newry Scholar Read and write -

1911    1 in Corry Square (Newry West Urban, Down)
*Cronin Patrick b~1843 80[1901 69] Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Charleville Co Cork -[1901 Accountant] 42[m~1870] 8 7
Cronin Jane Francis  b~1852 nee *Frances Montgomery 60 Female Wife Roman Catholic Thomastown, Co. Kilkenny - Read and write - Married - 42 8 7
CHILDREN 1 missing living child
*1. Cronin Mary Agnes 41 b1871 1901 30] Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Down, Newry - Read and write - Single - -
*2. Cronin Anastasia Margt 36[1901 27] Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Down, Newry - Read and write - Single - --
*3. Cronin William m Wm M [ 1901 25] M 34 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Down, Newry Town Clerk of Newry [1901 Commercial Clerk Read and write Single  see photo in 1914, http://www.bagenalscastle.com/documents/1914%20Directory.pdf
*4. Patrick Vincent 25 in 1901 son  b Newry  Commercial Clerk1901
5. Cronin Thomas 29 [1901 19] Male Son Roman Catholic Co Down, Newry Physician and Surgeon [medical student 1901]Read and write - Single - - -
6 . Cronin Agnes 24[1901 16 Co Armagh] Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Down, Newry - Read and write - Single - -
7.  missing living  Cronin
SERVANTS  etc
I have used an *to connect this family to kingskerswell contribution

1911   17 in Mill Street (Newry South, Down)
Maguire John 45 Male Head of Family R Catholic Scotland Labourer Genl Read - Married - 8
Maguire Ellen 42 Female Wife R Catholic Co Down - Neither - Married - 8 - -
have BOARDERS INC
Cronin Samuel 30 Male Boarder R Catholic Co Dublin Labourer Genl Neither

1911      11 in Catherine Street Upper (Newry West Urban, Down)
SISTERS OF MERCY
Cronin Lucy 29 Female - R Catholic Sr of Mercy PREV ADDRESS NEWRY CO DOWN

searching the Newry reporter produces much on William M Cronin, Newry’s Urban Town Clerck’s Work eg 1909 and a few on Gerald Cronin also town clerck eg 1968
see https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk looks like Gerald was GERALD JOSEPH   CRONIN   1914   father a [Dr] THOMAS Cronin.   Down see www.ancestryireland.com so your family ancestry has an easy start see the census and you mention Sheila  Did your Sheila Cronin teach music to actor Gerard Murphy see https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/find-things-to-do/actor-who-loves-teachers-brings-2757912


Patrick   FLYN   .   Newry   husband of Sarah ; father of John Joseph bpt. 27 Oct 1822 at a Newry Catholic Church   PR


edfly contributionPatrick Flynn of County Down married Annie Cronin.  They were both born abt 1800.  Their son, John C. Flynn, emigrated to the States in 1855,


http://www.bagenalscastle.com/documents/1914%20Directory.pdf has photo of William M Cronin the town Clerck,  pub 1914

 a patrick CRONIN of queen st newry voted in 1868
so that leaves one website to be exhausted
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/