Need to find parents of a roaming person.

[Floozy]

Ok this one may be difficult but will give it a try.

I am trying to confirm the parents of a Catherine Thallon who died in South Australia 1904.

I have confirmed this year by the Australian newspapers online Beta but they are still in the process in publishing full results online.

Catherine was married to Henry Thallon.
They where originally married in Tasmania but moved to Victoria where they had several children.

I believe this Catherine was previously married to a William Walker
in Tasmania and also had children from that marriage.

Her maiden name was Hay.  born approx 1834.

Awhile ago some one suggested she was the sister of Elizabeth Hay who was married to William Ferguson. (Who came from Scotland and married in New Zealand before heading to Tasmania)

From family history and from 2 cousins inter marrying Elizabeth is the sister of my GG Grandmother Mary Hay who married Robert Garrett and lived in Victoria.

I have the family in the 1841 census for Scotland.

So the question is is this Catherine Hay (1st Walker, 2nd Thallon)the daughter of James Hay and Elizabeth Scott.and sister too Elizabeth Ferguson and Mary Garrett.

Please note I do not want any other information apart from the confirmation that Catherine is from this family.

:So I need parents
:Some proof of her been part of this family other than the census.
:Immigration

I have plenty of information of the other families.

cheers  Floozy

[cando]

As you are probably aware there is very limited information on South Australian death certificates and for 1904 -
    *Date of Death
    * Name
    * Sex
    * Age
    * Occupation
    * Usual Residence
    * Cause of Death
    * Place of Death
    * Informant

Deaths

THALLON Catherine  68 years  Married  Relative Henry THALLON - husband
13 Dec 1904
Residence North Adelaide   Death Place North Adelaide   Ade 306/253

and

THALLON Henry  78 years  Married  Relative not recorded
16 Sep 1909
Residence North Adelaide  Death Place North Adelaide   Ade S 343/367

The birth certificates of children born in Victoria would give you her place of birth.


Cando

[Floozy]

Thanks Cando,

As you can appeciate I do not wish to purchase of non direct relatives cert , as some people do.  But I am hoping to find one who does have this information.

I live in hope on this one.

Cheers Floozy

[judb]

I assume you have seen the actual death notice in the Adelaide Advertiser (from beta newspaper site) Wed 14 December, 1904.

THALLON On 13 December, 1904 at Childers ST, North Adelaide, Catherine, the beloved wife of Henry Thallon, aged 68 years.

On page 2 of that issue of the paper is the funeral notice but it only mentions the husband and the address.  Burial was at North Road cemetery.

So, if this age is correct,  this gives a birth year of 1835/6 - could easily be incorrect, though.

Victorian birth certificates give good information so perhaps, at a pinch, there might just be a clue about her previous surname and children, from a birth certificate of one of her Victorian-born children.  But then again.........

Judith

[tropicalj]

You  no doubt  are aware of this, on  the records for the  children born in Victoria  she is listed as HAY

Jenn

[Floozy]

Thanks for your replies.

Yes I am aware of all this, still looking for strong evidence to confirm she is who I think she is.


many thanks
Floozy

[tropicalj]

The Victorian system of registration is one of the best in the world, there is plenty of useful information on both the certificates and the indexes.

What you'll find on a Victorian certificate of birth, death or marriage:

Births   
 Date and place of birth;
 name of child and whether present or not;
 name of parents (including mother's maiden name);
 occupation of parents;
 ages and birthplace of parents;
 date and place of marriage of parents;
 previous children of their marriage noting living or deceased;
 signature, description and address of the person who gave the information;
 names of witnesses;
 date and place of registation.


So plenty of  information  to be found but as you say  you don't want to purchase a  cerrtificate, one can only  hope  that one of  the many childrens descendants decides to do the family tree  and an internet search will  throw up  their names and lead them to this post.  We have seen  this on numerous occasions.

Jenn

[cando]

You state you don't want any further information on the family but often fresh eyes can notice something you may have missed on known information.
 
From IGI - extracted record

HAY Catharine
Birth  28 Jul 1834      
Baptism 24 Aug 1834  Forgandenny, Perth, Scotland
Father  James HAY    
Mother Elisabeth SCOTT

Is this the correct family on the census in Scotland?  Not knowing a lot about Scotland I have no idea if it is the same area as the birth.

1841 Census
Living at Canal Crescent, Perth, Perthshire   

Hay James  45 years
HAY Elizabeth  43 years
HAY Ann     20 years
HAY James 15 years
HAY Mary 13 years
HAY Elizabeth 11 years
HAY Isabela 9 years
HAY Robertson 7 years
HAY Catherine 5 years
HAY Charlotte 3 years

Marriage
HAY Catherine 23 years ie b c1835
WALKER William 24 years
5 Nov 1858
Sorrell  Reg# 721/1858

I wont post the 2nd marriage as unfortunately no ages are recorded.

The only way I can see of linking Catherine HAY/WALKER/THALLON is the purchase of an image of one of her children's birth registrations in Victoria.  Her  age at the time of registering the birth, her place of birth and former name and maiden name would be on the certificates. 

Have you searched in New Zealand for her possible arrival there with sister Elizabeth?  Have you searched for passenger records from NZ to Tasmania?

Cheers
Cando

[Floozy]

Yes Cando I have all this info.
I also have extracts of James and Elizabeth Hay (nee Scott) death in Scotland.

The age is slightly out. for Catherine but thats nothing new.
And I have details of the Thallon marriage as well.
She is listed on the Victorian births of her children as Hay and She was married to Thallon as Walker according to the Tasmanian website..

Could you guide me in the right direction to look for the immergration.
I do have the marriage details of Elizabeth from a NZ Newspaper.
Not sure how Elizabeth came to NZ  she may have travelled with her Husband on board one of his ships.
I do know he was the Captain of a ship called the Titan and I know a bit about the Ferguson family from a researcher who put together a history of Ferguson families.  Also one of the children from the Garrett/Hay familiys married their cousin from the Ferguson/Hay marriage (cousins)

The reason why this has come about in researching Catherine is that my Great grandfather has the  middle name of Thallon.

Even though Catherine didnt marry Henry Thallon until about 6 years after my Great Grandfathers birth Henry Thallon may have been known to the families.

so you can see how my brain works (clue clue clue lol)
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but I could still be barking up a wrong tree too  but that is not uncommon when doing research as we all know.


And I think I have the marraige extract for her marriage to Walker.

thanks once again.

Floozy

Yes a cert may help if it is on their?
I did find a tree belonging to some one else but it does not give me anymore clues that I dont already know.
I have emailed them but no reply