PRICE of Herefordshire

[Puffcat]

If you go to the Hugh Wallis Counties in England you can look in the parish records where they are available on the IGI which makes Prices a little less of a problem - but not much 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm

[Bosuns Call]

Thanks for the link Puffcat. Yes, all those parishes are only a stones throw away from each other.

Best wishes,

Bosuns Call

[ozlady]

I came across a Price family in Orleton a while ago. I thought they might have been some of mine but they weren't. I can't remember forenames.


Also found  Vales in Richards Castle in the 1861 Census. There's a Louisa on that born c.1854.  Is she one of yours?

[ozlady]

There's some connection between my Price/Watkins lot from Canon Pyon, Burghill, Wellington and the Vales. I still haven't found it.

[Bosuns Call]

Hi Ozlady,

Sorry, that's not my Louisa Vale. My Vale's come from the Allensmore/Callow/Grafton/Much Dewchurch/St. Devereux side of Herefordshire. All within stone throwing distances of each other.

My Price ancestors as far as I know, which is not a lot, are all from the Leominster side of Herefordshire. There are a lot of Price's in Hereford.

Best wishes,

Bosuns Call

[Bosuns Call]

I am stumped now. I went to the records office in Harold Street today to continue searching for my great granddad George Henry. As I've said previously I couldn't find his birth in the Kinnersley Parish Records.

As the family had previously lived in Shobdon I searched the film records for the parish. I found George's older sister Sarah Ann baptised 2 Apr 1837, the daughter of James and Susanna Price. The family abode was listed as Kinnersley and the trade of James was given as gardener.

I found a further baptism in Shobdon for James and Susanna Price. This was for a Robert Price baptised 17 Oct 1835. The family abode was listed as Kinnersley. James' trade was given as 'Hired Servant by a Gardener'. There was an 'X' next to Robert's name and at the foot of the page the clerk had written "X This child was born in the parish of Shobdon, but the father was living at the time as a hired servant in the parish of Kinnersley."

I got my hopes up, with all my ancestors happy to change and play about with their names could Robert be George Henry? Sadly no. I found a burial 17 Mar 1836 for a Robert Price aged 5 months. The abode was listed as East Hampton in th parish of Shobdon.

So there is no baptism whatsoever in Kinnersley or Shobdon for a George Henry Price. A very helpful woman working at the records office tried to see what she could find but ended up as stumped as me! None of James and Susanna's children had their birth registered. Even though it was not compulsory at the time it is very unusual for none of them to have been registered. Along with the absence of a baptism for George Henry she found the whole situation very strange. I do too!
 
There are no records for George Henry apart from the possible death certificate that Puffcat kindly found. Unfortunately the Staunton-On-Wye burials end at 1926 but I did discover the day of the burial registered, 9 Aug 1936 and it's the only burial that remotely fits. George is recorded as 84 years old when he died so, if the lies about his age were perpetuated until after his death I'm not too hopeful about the rest of the certificate holding any truths.

However crazy it sounds, it does seem that George Henry was not baptised and neither did he marry Louisa Vale. With the eternal threat of hell fire and brimstone I'm wondering why George Henry was not baptised? Was he illegitimate? But there are plenty of those who are still given baptisms. Is there any other kind of reason for not performing a baptism?

Best wishes,

Bosuns Call

[lizdb]

I havent read the whole thread through, but just have a couple of comments on poiunts in your last post.
1) If the parents were non conformists they wouldnt necessarily have the child christened. Unlikely in this case as you have found that the siblings were, but possible that they went through a phase of attending chapel, and that was at the time of George's birth 

2) More likely, I think your clue is in the fact that at Sarah's christeneing there is the mention that the child waas born one place, but dad was hired out as a grdener elsewhere at the time. It seems likely that, if this was the nature of dads work, that he could have been hired somewhere other than Kinnerlsey or Shobden at the time of George's chrisitening and therefore it is in a parish other than those two, but probably within the area.
Have you checked all neighbouring parishes?

[Bosuns Call]

Hi lizdb,

Thank you for mentioning that, as I hadn't even thought about chapel! What I can't understand is that my granddad was a God fearing by the book sort of man. All the family had some sort of connection of working for all the local churches. They did attend chapel but they also went to church too. Granddad was a bell ringer for many years. So it doesn't make sense that his dad wasn't baptised at all.

I have checked the births in Letton and Staunton-On-Wye but no sign of George Henry there. There are probably hundreds of hamlets and villages between Kinnersley and Shobdon but I will keep searching. I just wish the surname had been unusual, if only to be more confident of my findings and to rule out sheer coincidence.

Using Genuki I found an extract from the 1876-7 Littlebury's Directory and Gazetteer of Herefordshire where in the commercial section a Price Jas? (James?) is listed as head gardener for T. Reavely, Esq., J.P., D.L. (Kinnersley castle), Hurstley. I'm wondering if that's my great great granddad James and if so how much of his working life did he spend at Kinnersley castle?

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/Letton/Littlebury1876.html

That's my only clue so far, if indeed it is one, of where James may possibly have worked as a gardener.

Best wishes,

Bosuns Call

[Puffcat]

Kinnersley Castle is still a private house and there may be records of former staff there. Worth asking perhaps ?