Florence Julia Howe DAVIES - Census

['Trish']

Hi Sophia Agnes's mothers name was Maria Elizabeth so it looks like she used her mothers name.  Hmm, I wonder why?  Thanks,, for the second marriage, I thought there must be one but just couldnt find it!  Thanks again, most appreciated.

regards Trish

['Trish']

Not only do we have the connection to Maria Elizabeth Watts nee Weeks, mother of Agnes Sophia but the name Howe - Florence Julia Howe Davies was born Ashburton in 1871, so her father wasnt around when she was born, gets more & more involved.  Agnes Sophia must have been pregnant and the father married her in 1855, but left her more or less straight away and married again in 1870.  I wonder if she was legally divorced? 
Could anyone give me the 1871 Census for Thomas Davis widower (crossed out then altered to married).
Looking at this it looks as though they must have emigrated before 1855 as eldest daughter Maria Elizabeth Davies was born in Newmarket Canada.  Hmmm gets more & more tied in knots!
regards Trish

[Tati]

Trish - there doesn't seem to be a Florence Julia Howe Davies - we could only find a Florence Isabel.

The 1871 census has been transcribed twice already, once here and once on your other thread.

Do we have any evidence that Thomas Robert Davies wasn't a widower*?

(*when he remarried ca. 15 years later) 

['Trish']

On some paperwork she is named as Florence Isabel Howe Davies on another Florence Julia Howe Davies.  Both born Ashburton 1871.  So somewhere along the line someone has put the wrong name Julia.
I wonder if there was more children born to Agnes Sophia & Thomas between their marriage in 1855 and his second marriage in 1871.
regards Trish

[Necromancer]

By deleting the comments on this thread that 'twas a duplicate of another one - and that at least 2 people had wasted time in duplicating results - the opportunity to alert the OP (Trish) of 'best-practice' in posting requests has been lost.

[CaroleW]

Could anyone give me the 1871 Census for Thomas Davis widower (crossed out then altered to married).

I have already posted full details on your duplicate thread

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,383907.0.html

[Les09]

Hi Trish,
I have read the 3 threads you have posted about this family with interest as I am researching the CURWOOD family name in the UK.

I don’t know how much more research you have done or if you have purchased any of the suggested certificates.

The possible events I have found for Thomas Robert DAVIES and Julia DAVIES (nee CURWOOD) after the 1871 Census are :-

1881 Census  - RG11 Piece 964 Folio 68 Page 10
Registration District: Blean
Sub-Registration District: Whitstable
Census Address: 53 High Street, Whitstable, Kent.
Thomas R. DAVIES
Relation to Head of Family: Lodger
Condition as to marriage: Widower
Age: 51
Occupation: Agent Prudential Assurance
Where born: Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire, Wales

GRO Death Index:-
Julia DAVIES died aged 40, June quarter 1872, Hereford, 6a, 306.
Thomas Robert DAVIES died age 60, Sept quarter 1886, Blean, 2a, 476


My theory and logic :-
The age at death of Thomas Robert DAVIES corresponds to the age given on the 1871 census (age 45), but not quite to the age given on the 1881 census (age 51 – it may have been mis-enumerated for 56). However, the GRO Death Registration District of Blean corresponds to the 1881 Census Registration District.

If Thomas says he was a widower in the 1881 Census, then Julia DAVIES (nee CURWOOD) would have died between the 1871 and 1881 censuses.
If Julia CURWOOD was born on 5 March 1832, then she would have had her 40th birthday in March 1872, i.e. before the Apr-Jun 1872 registration quarter.

Further possibilities :-
Julia may have died in or soon after the birth of another child as there are :-
- one death of a DAVIES aged zero in March quarter 1872 (Joseph)
- two deaths of DAVIES’s aged zero in June quarter 1872 (Ann and Edward)
- one death of a DAVIES aged zero in Sept quarter 1872 (Albert).
all for the Hereford registration district.

I would certainly suggest you get the death certificates for Julia DAVIES and Thomas Robert DAVIES.  Then, depending on the cause of death for Julia, the birth certificate for the possible child could be either :-
Mar 1872 DAVIES Anne    Hereford 6a 525
Mar 1872 DAVIES Joseph  Hereford 6a 542
Jun 1872 DAVIES Albert  Hereford 6a 511
Jun 1872 DAVIES Edward  Hereford 6a 500
Jun 1872 DAVIES Edward  Hereford 6a 514

Please let me know what you think and if you get any of the certificates.
Regards,
Les.

['Trish']

Hi thanks for the info, the reason why I am interested in Thomas Robert Davies is that he was firstly married to Sophia Agnes Watts my great x2 grandmothers sister.  Thomas & Sophia's daughter Florence was brought up by James Watts who was Sophia's brother.  It looks as though she didnt get on with her new step mother?  Anyway thanks again
regards Trish

['Trish']

Were you aware that Thomas had three daughters by his second wife Julia Curwood?  Also did you know that Florence Julia Howe Davies spent some time in a institution?

If you dont have the info regarding Thomas's daughters I can send you that.

regards Trish