Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1820: MCNALLY Catharine; AMOS T: STIEGLITZ

[davclem]

  Good one, JM, nice eye for detail

Henry Haywood of Macquarie Street appears to have been a factor or commercial agent- many people or vessels leaving the colony advertised for all claims against them to be presented to Henry. I haven't checked Mr Kent yet, who seems to have visited our Bobby once or twice with Thomas Amos.

Interesting!''seems that Thomas Amos intended to leave earlier than he did- he adverised on 6 Feb 1819 that he intended leaving for Sydney on the "Derwent' requesting all claims etc, but didn't leave until early April on the Surrey- what could have chnged his plans? Work or a dalliance. My guess is work.

In passing I noticed the following, Wiggy, 9 September 1820


GENTEEL RESIDENCE.--To be LET,
that very neat substantial built House lately erected by Mr. RANSOM upon his own Premises in Murray-street, adjoining the Rivulet. The Situation is most eligible for a small private Family, or any Person carrying on Trade. --Apply to the Proprietor, Mr. Ransom

David

[Wiggy]

Yep - have that one attached to the family tree!   I've done those papers to death I reckon!

I'm watching the activity with interest.    Makes you wonder what Ann Cummings did with baby Phillip, b 1818, when she left for Hobart though doesn't it?   And again remember that John accuses her of being gone for years - there is something odd here which needs to be sorted out - was John exaggerating or . . . .   or what?

Wiggy

[majm]

Bit More
a) about TS Amos... and his two orphaned sons.... they sailed back to England Feb 1820 on the Admiral Cockburn...
b) 8 Jan 1819 TS Amos is shown as a passenger going to Batavia on the ship named DERWENT.... (image on Ances*** online)...
c) he seems to have been a widower when he arrived in NSW around 1816 ish...  - I'll try to sort that out and edit this post...

EDIT TO SORT OUT POINT C) above
T S Amos was definitely still in the UK in Oct 1816, as that's when he sought permission to emigrate to NSW... (google books, richest 200 in Australian colonial era... etc)  Also his migratration to NSW was probably  the arrival on April 10, 1817 of the ship 'Morley' ...

I presume that no-one was inspired by that 1805 christening of a CathArine Mc..... at Parramatta... with her probable mother in VDL by 1809 .... oh well, I doubt if I can contribute much more to this very very very long thread... Good Searchings to you all, 

Cheers,

JM

[Wiggy]

I think you are right JM - he was certainly a widower when he died in 1819.  Children mentioned as orphans.

Going to Batavia on the 8th Jan and to Hobart on 19th Jan??   What's going on?  I know some sailing ships were fast but  . . .

David,   re you comment post No 360 -  I've noticed when looking for people coming and going via the newspapers that they seemed to advertise their going for a very long time.   Same occurred when Cummings were coming to VDL.   I wonder why - waiting for a suitable ship?  Surely there were more frequent sailings than the time lapse would suggest.

Wiggy

[davclem]

Wiggy,
your comment Post 363 re mine in 360 about long lead in time of ads before the passenger actually leaves misses the point- Amos specified he was leaving on Derwent in February, but left on Surrey some 6 weeks or so later- that is a change of mind, not a long lead in time.

JM- as a widower he was entitled to a dalliance-thanks again for that further detail, which is where the devil resides!

david

[Wiggy]

Yes you are right - but he does advertise twice during March also - as if he is trying to go - I expect that is what tricked me.

Wiggy

[majm]

Umm,

Perhaps there were two ships named Derwent... or perhaps when he realised the return to PJ was to be via Batavia he waited until there was a passage on the Surrey, or perhaps he needed to tally in VDL for law court work...  if important to this thread, perhaps Wiggy or David could check out using AMOS as a keyword on the National Library of Australia's newspaper site... 

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home          

No one wants to consider that 1805 christening, or her probable mum in VDL in 1809 .... 

This thread is very very long....  but, re AMOS, could that have been Adam AMOS who had VDL land grants in pre 1825 era ...   
Re "dalliance" - that's a good word ... but it does not depend on his being a widower...
Cheers,  , as I mentioned earlier today,  Good Searchings. to you all.... JM

[Wiggy]

Thanks for much help and useful information JM - you've been a great help - and yes it is getting very long.

I've noticed you helping many others as I browse round Rootschat looking for clues.  Thank you again for all the assistance.

Wiggy

[Wiggy]

Been through the papers as JM suggested - only seems to be one Amos around.  We have the information which matters - but it doesn't give us any more help. 

Wiggy