Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1820: MCNALLY Catharine; AMOS T: STIEGLITZ

[Wiggy]

Just had a thought - I wonder if John jnr married again after Ann died - could explain the 1832 newspaper entry?

Wiggy

[majm]

Umm,

If you were to consider ordering transcripts of the 1805 christening that I mentioned earlier, you can get that for around $15, at least one of the NSW transcription services has a 10% sale on until Dec... 

V1805883 4/1805  MCCANN  CATHARINE  (her father PETER) (and her mother  MARY)  or V18051455 1A/1805  MCCANN  CATHARINE  PETER  MARY  (two records of the same event.... One at line 5883 of Volume 4, and one at line 1455 of Volume 1A) notice in both instances the spelling of Catharine.... with "A" .... 

Transcription services can send their info via email as a pdf file.... very quick responses...  its a simple process, please consider reading  the NSW resources thread especially http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html

Also, not found any entry to NSW for a Peter McCann on or before 1805 ! but spotted a Mary Fitzgerald, who by April 1809 was at PORT DALRYMPLE with her own land grant....  Was she Thomas RANSOM's (de facto) mother in law via Catharine ....

Cheers,  JM

[Cathy48]

Thanks again David, I haven't found the notice of Ann absconding and would love to see it. I probably wrote the previous post the wrong way- the entry about John Cummings and Elizabeth was separate to the newspaper items - I found it in the Archives office of Tasmania search portal - the colonial family links database on that site has this entry and it shows Phillip as their child which has confused me.

[davclem]

 HTG Saturday 29th May 1819-
 
"NOTICE-Whereas Anne Cummings, my wife,having absented herself from me for some years past, without any cause or provocation,although often requested to return to her home: and as I have been credibly informed she means to leave this colony, I hereby caution all Masters and Commanders of vessels, and all otheres whomsoever, from taking her away from the colony, or assissting her in any manner in the same, as I am determined to prosecute with the utmost rigour of the law all such person or persons who in any way may harbour, conceal or maintain her: all persons are therefore likewise cautioned  not to give her any credit on my account, as I will not pay any debts of her contracting "LAUNCESTON JOHN CUMMINGS.
Cathy- this is the link between Catherine McNally and John Cummings referred to in the thread-theory is that Catherine McNally was the wife of John McNally employed by Cummings in 1816 and she went with Ann, but while Ann eventually returned after an affair with a visiting Supreme court solicitor Thomas Amos and producing a child in late 1819 Catherine remained in Hobart with Thomas Ransom, and catherine and Thomas adopted the child of Ann and Thoams Amos,namimg her Ann.

David
 

[Wiggy]

Cathy - that's David's theory!!   But we won't fight over it!   (And it will probably turn out that David is correct - just that Anne's great great grandson/nephew doesn't think so!)

 Actually Catharine's other descendants think the child, Anne, 'adopted' by Catharine, and Thomas Ransom, was in fact Catharine's -with Thomas Amos.   But the scenario remains the same with these two women hightailing it to Hobart without their spouses.   So keep finding any connections - but add  Thomas Amos and Anne 'Ransom' in to your thinking.

Cheers,        Wiggy

[majm]

Bit More,

Just to remind everyone,  Thomas Sterrop AMOS, Solicitor,  died in Sydney NSW aged 42 and buried 11 November 1819....  leaving two orphans at school in Sydney .  http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2179080?searchTerm=%22amos%22,

He did travel from Sydney to VDL on several occasions to be a legal representative in Justice Field's court...
He had arrived "down under" by Jan 1817 when he was admitted to the Governor's court (This roll records the date of admission and the full name of the attorneys sworn and admitted to practise in the Governor's Court. The seven names and dates on the roll are: Frederick Garling, 15 October 1816; William Henry Moore, 15 October 1816; Thomas Sterrop Amos, 2 January 1817; James Norton, 7 December 1818; Thomas Deane Rowe, 11 October 1821; Charles Henry Chambers, 15 March 1822; and George Allen, 25 July 1822. ).....  http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=%5CSeries%5C4562

I leave it to others to detail the dates when he was in VDL    

JM

[davclem]

 Thanks JM- as requested, I have only found one trip to VDL of Thomas S Amos- arrived Hobart per "Derwent" with his fellow Solicitor on 19thJanuary 1819 , William H Moore, and left for Sydney per ship "Surrey" on 7 April 1819. Source Hobart Town Gazette and confirmed by Rev Robert Knopwoods Diary "Tuesday 19 January-The Derwent , Captain Carr, arrived from Sydney, the Solicitors came in her, Mr Amoss and Moore". "At 6pm on Friday 5th Feb The Judge of the Supreme Court and Mrs Field, Major Bell, Lieutenant King, Mr Amoss and Moore etc and self dined with Mr and Mrs Abbott" on 9th February at 9am the Deputy Judge Advocate, self and Mr Archer met at Mr Abbots office. Mr Loane and his solicitor came" Wed 10 March " Mr Kent and Mr Amoss came and took a pipe with me" Monday 15 march"Mr Kent and Mr Amoss called upon me" Monday 5th April "Mr Kent and Mr Amoss called upon me".Wednesday 7th April "This morning sailed the ship Surrey with many passengers"
Leo Stieglitz suggests that Ann ( later Ransom, adopted daughter of Thomas Ransom and Catherine McNally) was the daughter of Thomas Amos and Catherine mcNally, but this is disputed by yours truly- in any event he died later in 1819 in Sydney and probably was unaware of either the pregnancy or the birth.

Thomas Amos  baptised 12/1/1776 at Spitalfields , son of John Amos and Elizabeth and married 9/8/1806 to Elizabeth Howe at Old Church, St Pancras.

[davclem]

For the Record re Post 328  Mrs Mcanley/ Mary Mcauley, per Calcutta 1803 with husband Sergeant James McAuley-just in case any descendent taps in, The Diary of the Reverend Robert Knopwood is choc a bloc with references to both of them , including James' death in 1822, which ties in with the entry  for Tuesday 5th September 1826 in the Diaries of John Helder Wedge

 "Surveying up the Clarence Rivulet- Mrs McAuley - a fat round faced widow about 38 years of Age -a round face, a small round ended nose, around and round altogether- a more hearty welcome or a more plentifully filled table no one ever met with- it was about 5pm when I arrived and within about 5 minutes I saw before me a large cold round of beef and one of the largest legs of Pork I ever beheld a bottle of wine and a bottle of brandy- what more could a man wish for?"

 Apart from the poltical incorectness of the Government surveyor committing descriptive disparagement, I wonder whether he asked her to wash his shirt!

David

[majm]

Bit More,

On that short visit to VDL, Thomas S Amos was likely lodging at the address noted in this advertisement from http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/655975?searchTerm=%22amos%22
MR. T. S. AMOS intending to proceed to Sydney by an early Opportunity, requests Claims may be presented at Mr Haywood's, Macquarie Street... The Hobart Town Gazette and Southern Reporter Saturday 13 March 1819

Umm, WHO WAS MR HAYWOOD .... is he mentioned in the Rev Knopwood's diary perhaps ....

Cheers,  JM