Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1820: MCNALLY Catharine; AMOS T: STIEGLITZ

[majm]

Bit More,

And how did this Mary Fitzgerald (poss mother of a CathArine) get to VDL by 1809 had to come to NSW firstly...

FITZGERALD, Mary
1809 Apr  Received grant of 30 acres at Port Dalrymple (Reel 6001; SZ757 p.44a)
 
1809 May 9 On list of all grants and leases of land registered in the Colonial Secretary's Office (Fiche 3268; 9/2731 p.174)

Cheers,  JM
 

[majm]

Bit More, - DAVID, for you to look up please...

Catharine Buchannan - apparently a lass by this name is on one of the Musters... not sure of the year, or the spelling of the surname...

Cheers,

JM

[davclem]

Thanks,JM,for the hard work, but, yes, he was the Risdon Cove man, the initial settlement of VDL in 1803. I  have checked the Cols Secs Index, negative, Have checked Sydney Gazette 1807-1809 only 4 hits and all William Bowen, and the others were too early- Catherine and John Bowen married in Manchester in 1807, so if the John Bowen who died in Sydney 1809 was the same man they only arrived 1807-1809. Don't spend too much time on this-it is  only a wild speculation on my part based on connecting 3 completely separate records, linked only by the double use of the names Catharine  and Mcnally and the double use of the name Bowen within the appropriate time frame, stimulated by the fact that the original birth record in 1781 was for "Cathrina" which is a nice portmanteau of Catharine and Christina. But if it grabs you too, any help is gratefully received!
David

[majm]

Hi David,

Do NOT rely on the Early Church Records on the NSW bdm site...  These are NOT civil registrations, these are only for those recorded in the Church records, it was NOT compulsory, it was not well managed, and there are lots of indications of the mess in the records and of Lachlan Macquarie's efforts to provide for proper administration (took another 40 years after that for it to start to be administered by civil authories)... thus it could well be a quite different John Bowen who died in NSW in 1809 from the one you think it is...  No way of telling just by looking at the indexes....  Also, the Col Sec indexes do NOT include everyone who arrived,  its an index of the Correspondence received by the Col Sec... not a list of who was in the colony... 

On other hand, what's your thoughts about that 1805 birth for a CathArine McCann....

Cheers, JM

[Wiggy]

Hi JM,
Why are you thinking about a 1805 birth of Catharine McCann - have I lost something here?   That would be much too late for our Catharine.  Did you have something else in mind for her?  Daughter of  . . . ?   Even then it would be pushing it  Our Catharine would have been 15/16.

Wiggy

[davclem]

Oops, finger slipped!
 too continue...Catherine McCann would be too young . Our Catherine was at least 31 in 1820

David

[Wiggy]

15/16 in 1805 I meant!

Wiggy

[majm]

Umm, that 1805 record would be her CHRISTENING, could have been born several years before that, ie before her parents married.... you would not know unless you had the ECR in front of you...  But that NSW BDM record is definitely for a christening, its NOT for a birth...

Cheers,  That's probably put cat among pigeons, but that twas not my intention...

JM

[majm]

Umm, that 1805 record would be her CHRISTENING, could have been born several years before that, ie before her parents married.... you would not know unless you had the ECR in front of you... But that NSW BDM record is definitely for a christening, its NOT for a birth... Cheers, That's probably put cat among pigeons, but that twas not my intention...JM

All the NSW BDM records before say mid 1850's are ECR, Early Church Records,  none are civil registrations,  sometimes you will notice three or four entries for the one event...., I have four transcriptions for the ONE christening of one of my forebears born NSW 1818.... - there's the one from the regiment's log, the one from the back up of the regiment's log, the one from the church, and the one from the Col Sec's log...  Anything on NSW BDM with a "V" (for volume) is ECR,  hence there are MANY births, deaths, marriages that do NOT appear on the NSW BDM website... simply because the information did not get back to the Rev W Cowper.. particularly in the decades before say 1821....  Macquarie's orders re these issues are found online at the Sydney Gazette at the National Library's website....