Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1820: MCNALLY Catharine; AMOS T: STIEGLITZ

[majm]

Umm, 
http://www.law.mq.edu.au/sctas/html/1840cases/RvManning,1840.htm
John McNall, a solicitor's clerk in VDL in 1836 was a witness.  The case got to the Supreme Court in VDL in 1840.  Presume that this clerk was NOT the same John McNall/McNabb from two decades previous.

EDIT TO ADD
On the First Family 2001 archived website, John McNall, solicitor's clerk, born Ireland, died in Melbourne abt 1843.  He had a wife named Sarah Jones. 
JM

[majm]

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,390323.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,386064.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,393268.0.html

These threads all support Wiggy's search for Catharine McNally.   
 

[regross]

Wiggy,
don't worry about how long or how may pages. jthis is growing to .
I just found a thread on rootschat 42 pages long !!

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300953.30.html

very interesting too.

Robyn

[Wiggy]

Hi Robyn,

Been pretty busy being a grandmother lately - looking forward instead of back.  The time off has given us time to gather our thoughts and think again more clearly.

Haven't found anything new re Catharine pre VDL  - but bits about her life in Tasmania.  Chasing off bushrangers,  having stuff entered into the Great Exhibition in London and also, a few years later, in Paris -( gloves in both cases!  I wonder if she made them herself?)   Being proprietor of an Inn and chatelaine of Killymoon.  She had an interesting life it seems.

I doubt if we will ever find her past - as you yourself commented quite early in the thread.   Unless, that is, something new comes to light with new records made available.    I'm pretty sure she was not a convict - but that is not new!       That has been my position most of the time - not blinded, but just what I've been led to believe.      Also the more I find out about Frederick, the less likely I think it that he would have married an ex-convict. ( Not impossible but . . .     Unless he married her before finding out - he only arrived in VDL after Thomas died it seems.)  Trying to find him leaving the colony to return to Ireland now!   He was still here early in 1858.  He didn't muck around 'cos he married again in 1859.
Ah well!   I'm going sideways now and finding out as much as I can about her life and times.  Interesting to put her in context.   It will be interesting to see if something just drops into the picture which really clears things up.  While looking for other things, that might just happen.    Not giving up, just going more slowly.

Many thanks for yours and JM's interest and assistance on this thread.  You've been a great help.   We've surely turned up many, many Catherines and managed to knock out quite a few of them . . . . and if anything else turns up - well, the thread is here to add to!
I appreciate your research skills and your access to things to which I don't seem to have entree.

Cheers   

Wiggy

[regross]

Hi,

JM
The John McNall who died in Victoria in 1842  was aged 35 and a presbyterian, so was his wife Sarah who died in 1848 aged 37 no parents names are given in the index. est dob 1807. I fell that the unnamed McNall in the index who died in 1838 is their child also presbyterian. This is the earliest McN*L* death in thr index. Only on elivineg birth in the indexes 1842 a son John McNall to John and Sarah McNall. So I feel no go on this man at any connection to Catherine Christina McNally.

Quite depressing looking at the death sof so many young people!!

Robyn

[Mt Mather]

Hi Julie
I am a descendant of Dr William Paton mentioned in your transcripts. I wrote a biography of Paton many years ago and never found the documents you have transcriped. I would be very interested in the location of the originals. I knew about Gregson's problem with Gregson as I found secondary sources that mentioned it and I found brief entries in some court SC registries but never the detail that you have

regards
Jeff

[Wiggy]

Thanks to Julie, Trish, David and Floozy for their input  - didn't mention them before and should have - been re-reading thread to remember the important bits  - every little thing helps in the great search!!     

152nd Anniversary of Catharine's death today!

Wiggy

[davclem]

How about this, Wiggy?

Patrick Allen (1800/1 Muster) a shoemaker lived at Paramatta with Captain Cummings.Remember him!

Allen was implicated in the Irish Uprising at Paramatta in 1800 according to the testimony of Peter McCanna or McCann (Minerva).Both Allen and McCann were assigned to Capt Cummingsat Paramatta where the rebellion was to begin. Cummings from Co Kildare was apossible sympathiser. The rebel plan was given away by Roger Gavin who later lived with Caterine Kearney in VDL. Other Marquis Cornwallis people in the conspiracy included James Mc Nally.

McNally and Nicholas Cregan guilty of cow stealing Trim Assises Meath 1793 transported per Marquis Cornwallis, but not recorded on indent. Previously 1790 aquitted of receiving stolen goods, previously aquitted for arson of a mill, but not tried for a murder. McNally probably one of the Defenders, "who fought in the battle of Coolnabinch1793, in the struggle for freedom".

ToL granted 1801. In 1799 McNallycharged with the attempted assault of Mary Mulett alias Talmage while he was drunk-ordered to be of good behaviour. ".

Sourced from "A desperate set of Villains " by Barbara Hill.

Cummings and McNally go way back! and continue to Port Dalrymple in 1819!

David

[majm]

David and Wiggy,

Would that be Catherine Kearney, a Dairy Farmer of Hobart Town 1808-1813?
Try this link for details of a book about her 
http://www.tasfamily.net.au/~schafferi/index.php?file=kop6.php

JM