Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1820: MCNALLY Catharine; AMOS T: STIEGLITZ

[Wiggy]

Yes - I agree, there is!   What about the John McNally per Boddingtons who arrived in 1793 - as David reminds me.   

Can you see any marriages from 1804-16 of John and Catharine?     

Also I found last night something which everyone else seemed to know about (- except me!!)  A registration in T.A. for a Catharine McNally born 1822 and married 1843 - quite outside our year range, but the fact that the Catharine is spelt like that makes me wonder.   (An Uncle or John's brother, naming his child after Catharine - that's what I'm sticking to! - says she with blinkers firmly in place)

(I haven't  had so many laughs for a long time folks - it's the imaginitis that does it - another name for laughing sickness!)     

Wiggy   

[regross]

Wiggy

No marriages in NSW for them 1788-1811 only two MC* john

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none for Mac* john

so no further forward

Robyn

[Wiggy]

Thanks Robyn

I think we've come to the same conclusion - I keep telling David - it was his free cousin who you were talking about.

The hunt is on!! - - still!

Wiggy

[davclem]

Robyn,
somewhere along the line my congratulations were postd but didn't appear, so again  a terrific find and top marks for stickability, seems to be the clincher that joins the dots

I have checked the NSW BMD for births of anybody called Catherine, Catharine, Catherina, Catharina and Christina 1788-1792, given Christina Stiegltz aad 68 in 1857.NIL. So she wasn.t an early BC

Ihave checked NSW BMD for marriages for the above names 1803-1819, nothing close to McNally or the various approximationsoff the name

There is n John McNally in the 1814 NSW Muster, only James, and the only Cathrine is my friend Catherine McNalty married to Bryan Overend. James is shown as per Bodington, and only James is listed on Bodington. Yet John McNally n 1819 Port Dalrymple Muster claims Per Boddington. THere is also listed a James McNally, and also three McNally children, John, John and Elizabeth. A probable transposition error betwen James and John for the Per Boddington.

I haven't checked the 1811 NSW Muster for John McNally, and Mrs.

John Cummings of Port Dalrymple who employed John and Mrs McNally in 1816 had a brother William , also resigned from Rum Corps with John, who was a Hawkebury settler, I think, so his householdwill need to be checked, in case brother John pinched his overseer or something.

Now we (probably) know how and where she came from , but we still don't know who she is!

David

[regross]

Dave and Wiggy,

Once again it's a pity how poorly documented our earliest free settlers were.

Considering there was no compulsory registration for over 50 years we should consider oursleves lucky to have the records we do . I agree, we most probably know how CCatharine Christina came to be in Tasmania but who was she before her marriage and what part of the UK or otherwise did she come from and how did she get to Australia in the first place?

It is always possible that John Macanally was a soldier (will do some looking in this area) who took his gratuity here in Port Jackson and if looking for him and his wife etc is like looking for my James Emms, his wife and family with the 39th regiment in Australia 1826-1832 then the going is just going to get tougher. 

We can prove their existence in official letters, pay lists, diaries etc,land grants etc but they don't show up on musters or on the manifests of the ships on which they travelled to Australia nor can we find them in the NSW indexes only who we suspect is their son Thomas marrying in 1845. A professional military historian is on the trail now with all my references etc and is no further along than I am, confirmed existence (no names for wife and hchildren confirmed)and the fact that they stayed in Australia but then a dead end.

This is at least 15 to 20 years after Catherine et al so it is going to take some prying!!!

regards

Robyn

[regross]

Well Well Well

Found a James Macanally with the 1/46th regiment South Devonshire (1814-1817 ) http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~garter1/m46th.htm  A wee bit after the birth in 1811 but he may have transferred to it from an earlier regiment 73rd Highland regiment (1810-1814)

Would be good to check references to him in the Australian Joint Copying Project but I am not able to get to a state library minimum 4 hours drive)

regards

Robyn

[davclem]

They are tumbling out of the woodwork now! But all James-good one ,Robyn

James Macanally alias Wilson ,Sydney Gazette 18/5/1811, leaving colony, allclaims etc, per Brig "perserverance", sealing , Macquarie Island  etc, and on board Catharine Rook

JohnMacanally leaving colony, allclaims etc, per Brig Rosetta Sydney Gazette 16/12/1815, sealing and salt at Kangaroo Island and return, Captain William Rook

William Rook per Matilda 1788, tried Lincolnshire 1788, married Mary Huxtable

Catherine Rook bapt 1788 St Martins Birmingham ? Brother William (not the above obviously)father Samuel Mother Ann

  grist

David

[Wiggy]

Hi Robyn,

I can undertake that look up on Tuesday when I go to the state library - at least that is something I can do to help!
We are also going to PROV - which is more likely to have the info - library or PROV?    Tell me (as a novice - but learning) just what I am seeking when I see the AJCP.   
Having looked through the names of soldiers/marines etc I'm blowed if I noticed any Macanallys or McNallys of anything close  - definitely a novice!

David,

Robyn is telling of a baptism in 1811 - so all these comings and going of James Macanally to the whaling grounds are just comings and going are they? - so he could be there in Sydney long enough to father a child?! 

 Is this another James/John we are talking about - or did he settle down and become a farmers right hand man?

Are you saying James Macanally/Wilson came free - or not?

In your first post on this subject David (about 126 I think   Cummings household that is)  you said John McNally - did you mean James?  Was that a typo?   Or is the subsequent belief that it was James the typo?   No wonder my head is whirling!  ( I reckon he is James John - or John James and uses his names alternately to confuse the descendants. )

One minute we have no J McNallys - now we seem to have too many!

Wiggy

[davclem]

Nah, John and James only come together in 1819 port Daltymple Muster which lists both a John and a James, one female McNally, 3 children McNally, John, John and Elizabeth.

We have a John and Mrs Mcnally being employed by Capt John Cummings in 1816 and being taken to Port dalrymple.

Robyn has found a John McNally baptised by John and Catherine McNally in  NSW IN 1811

I have just found John McNally on Rosetta going sealing at Kangaroo Island in January 1816, Capt  William Rook married to Mary Huxtable

Trouble is that the Port Dalrymple Muster shows John McNally as Per Boddingtons, when in fact it was James who was on Boddingtons. So, I have followed James as well, who was on Perseverance in 1811 with Catherine Rook also on board.

Confusion may be rife, but I think all the balls have to be kept in the air until they are proved irrelevant. John and James may be cousins, brothers, unrelated, but when they are both listed at Port Dalrymple in 1819 which only had a total population of 700, I am loath to let a McNally go

David