Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1820: MCNALLY Catharine; AMOS T: STIEGLITZ

[Wiggy]

But . . .if she didn't marry, but was using her mother's maiden name, where is the reason she didn't marry Thomas?

Could she not have married under name she was using in VDL, - found it was a disaster and then reverted to mother's maiden name to blind pursuers - just thinking aloud really! 

Wiggy

[majm]

Hi there,

I've been following this thread too, and have had a thought about the reason she didn't marry Thomas.  Not sure if this thought is a side track so, I apologise in advance.

But

in the regime of Lachlan Macquarie (the then Governor of what was then New South Wales ie VDL and NI and east coast of Australia), convicts could not marry without the governor's permission, which was NOT always forthcoming.     Is it possible that there is a register of convicts who sought to marry ?  If so, would such a register be currently held in archives in Tasmania or NSW?    I have not ever needed to look for that type of register, so I am sorry that I cannot advance that thought. 

But,  on the State Records of NSW website there's index references for
a Maria McNally receiving a certificate of emancipation on 1 Jan 1811. 
and a Mary McNalty appearing before the magistrates on 3 November 1810
and a Thomas Ransom ex Norfolk Island receiving an Absolute pardon on 17 Sept 1810 (arrived 1788 on Scarborough)

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/keyname_search.asp

Of Catherine MCNALLY - could she have been a child of Maria or Mary - oh well, I do hope I am not side-tracking you all.  This thread is so very interesting.

JM

[Wiggy]

Definitely not side tracking - any suggestion is more than welcome!  Being fresh out of ideas for the moment, all contributions are most welcome!  As you can see - there is quite a lot of fantasizing going on, as we try to approach from a new angle!

Thank you  JM
Wiggy

[davclem]

JM,

Good suggestion, but the Index of Convicts applying for permission to Marry in AOT only starts 1829 and goes to 1857.
However, while  checking out the Catherines, I did come across , on Alexander 2, from which several irish female convicts were transhipped to VDL in 1816, an Elizabeth McNally! born 1785. So did she come to Hobart per Kangaroo 1816 (not the 1814 voyage) under another name-identity switch- the only unaccounted Catherine per Alexande per Kangaroo  to VDL 1816 is Catherine Oakes, but I haven't even started thinking Elizabeths yet!!

David

[majm]

OH, so if we all catch IMAGINITIS, that's fine - tis much better than the current pandemic of course

So, umm, have you considered these TWO Mcnally women?

Winifred and Bridget, both were prisoners Per "Canada", 1817 to NSW and both were then sent on to Hobart on the "Elizabeth Henrietta" on 11 August 1817 (as per NSW Col Secretary index on NSW State Archives)  - right era, wrong first names     

Surely there would be some record of either Winifred or Bridget in Hobart in a general muster after Aug 1817 (fingers crossed at this end)

Umm, David and Wiggy, I only noticed these two after going back to an online search of NSW archives after reading your recent replies and catching the imaginitis bug. 

JM
 

[Wiggy]

David was there before you - both been excluded.    Full marks for trying!  keep it up!     

David does the research - then I come along and pick at it - I think that is about the order of the day!  Occasionally I get things right!

Cheers

Wiggy     

[majm]

Bit more,

I had presumed you have checked out the following: (sorry for the long link, but ....... this Catherine seems to have been  MARRIED and there is UK HOME OFFICE reference)

http://onesearch.slq.qld.gov.au/primo_library/libweb/action/display.do?ct=display&doc=slq_voyager1048553&indx=1&vl(74576467UI1)=all_items&fn=search&ct=search&vid=FamHis&indx=1&vl(60921004UI0)=any&dum=true&vl(freeText0)=mcnalty&srt=rank&vl(1UI0)=contains&frbg=&tab=default_tab&mode=Basic&scp.scps=scope%3A(IC)


Catherine McNalty, one of 113 convicts transported on the Sydney Cove, January 1807.
Sentence details: Convicted at Middlesex Gaol Delivery for a term of 7 years. Spouse's name Michael McNalty.
Vessel: Sydney Cove.
Date of Departure: January 1807.
Place of Arrival: New South Wales.
Source: Australian Joint Copying Project. Microfilm Roll 87, Class and Piece Number HO11/1, Page Number 386
 

JM

[Wiggy]

 Hi JM!!

Don't go there - I promise you - don't go there!   

 When David entered this thread at about reply 42, that was the Catherine he was putting forward as the goer in this story - she's been ditched -  Found to be lawfully married to Cap't Bryan Overand in 1810 and living in sinless state in Sydney in 1828 - and for years in between.   She is definitely out!! 

Wiggy

[Wiggy]

 Hi JM!!

Don't go there - I promise you - don't go there!    

 When David entered this thread at about reply 42, that was the Catherine he was putting forward as the goer in this story - she's been ditched -  Found to be lawfully married to Cap't Bryan Overand in 1810 and living in sinless state in Sydney in 1828 - and for years in between.   She is definitely out!!  

Wiggy

Sorry - it told me it didn't post - it was lying!