Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1820: MCNALLY Catharine; AMOS T: STIEGLITZ

[Floozy]

No doubt you have seen these 2 references?

It says that Catherine Christina McNally was a friend of Ransom's

http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A020508b.htm
http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A020316b.htm

[Wiggy]

Indeed I have,   but thanks for looking.   

There are a few incorrect things in that article - like Thomas's birth, (he died at 86 or 88 in 1829) - but the rest is proven and there is Christina - but how did she get there?      Big mystery!      (Thomas was married in England before his conviction and I'm guessing that was why he and Catharine Christina didn't marry - 'cos she married soon after his death.)

Wiggy

[Floozy]

Oh so he was already married???  Guess he didnt want his wife to come over lol.

Good luck in your quest.

[Wiggy]

I wonder if his wife wanted to come with him on the convict transport?   
  Or even if she would have been allowed?         Oh well Australia was good to him in the end, and he died a man of means and good standing!!       Guess he liked younger women - Christina was about 47 years younger!!!

Cheers,

Wiggy

[trish1120]

Is it possible Christina was not a McNally by birth Could she have been transported herself under another name? Even been a common-law wife to a McNally or married one.

Trish

[regross]

Just  wondering if you have considered that Catherine might be the Catherine McNALTY who arrived on the Sydney cove in 1807? Convicted middlesex in 1806 to a term of 7 years.

http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/page57.html  (Lesley Uebel's Claim a Convict site.)

This would be a simple one letter surname alteration similar to my Godwin who became Goodwin and Vickers who became Bickers in my research. All in Tasmania originally at one time.

Have you joined the Port Jackson (PJ) mailing list on Rootsweb? Very knowlegable group of people who have a vast depth of research on convicts of this time frame and who are most generous in the assistance.

http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Prisons/AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS.html

Someone may have inforamtion on Catherine McNalty and who you may  then be able to rule  out. Also may know about Catherine Christiana McNAlly.

Very few MCNAlly convicts in the right time frame though.

regards

Robyn

[davclem]

Wiggy,

Catherine was sentenced 1806 Old  Bailey as Catherine McNally, arrived Sydney Cove 1807,married Bryan Overhand Capt of Lady Nelson1810 in Sydney, moved to Hobart in 1814 with Thomas Ransom boat builder Norfolk Island, gave birth to Thomas Mc Nally 1820, married Frederick Lewis Stieglitz in 1829,became chatelaine of Killymoon, died in 1857 and buried next to the hawthorn hedge on east side of Cullenswood Church near St Marys, Fingal Valley. Thomas McNally adopted the name Ransom. At one stage I thought his father could have been Matthew Brady the bushranger as Brady was assigned to Thomas and Catherine on his arrival in Hobart 1820, but dates don't quite fit. Unlikely to have been old Thomas. Might have been Overhqnd who could have turned up again for a short time. She was highly regarded by Governors and bushrangers alike, and does not seem the flighty type, so his father is still an unknown. I have been researching her for 20 years. I live 2km down the road from her grave, so happy to answer any questions that I can.
Regards, David Clement

[Wiggy]

Hi David,

 - wish I'd know about you five days ago when we were travelling through St Mary's and looking at the graves in Cullenswood cemetery.   (Talk about wet!)

Thank you so much for that information - I just knew someone out there had to have some connection and some knowledge about Catharine.   From where did you glean your information? - 'cos I've been looking at convict musters,ships lists, marine lists etc etc and never a sight of her. 

If she was married to the ships captain, was that why she didn't marry Thomas - in spite of 50 year age gap?  and I presume the captain died about the same time as Thomas given that she married Fred'k so soon after Thomas's death.   Tell me anything you can!!  I will be most grateful for anything. 

Where do you fit in to the family - or is it pure history of the area which you are digging.  We've always thought we are descended from Old Thomas but that seems unlikely from what you are saying!  We like to claim him - he seems a really enterprising type!!      Do you think he just left young Thomas in his will for love of Catharine?   And do you know anything about Anne who we think was born in 1817 (but I can't find the proof) - We think it was she who married Francis Von Steiglitz.  Certainly it was someone called Anne Ransom!

Cheers,   

   Wiggy   

[Wiggy]

Robyn - hello again,

Thanks for those sites - I've just been visiting them and finding three extra convicts - bad lot we must have been!   

There is a wealth of information out there if one only knows how to plug in to it!  Or who to turn to for help.

Thanks for your interest!

Wiggy