Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1820: MCNALLY Catharine; AMOS T: STIEGLITZ

[davclem]

The current thinking is that the Catherine McNally associated with Thomas Ransom in VDL from 1820 onwards is not the Catherine McNally who married Bryan Overhand in Sydney in 1810,  (NSW BMD), because the  NSW 1828 Census  shows Catherine Overand 40 ish (per Sydney Cove 1807) in Sydney.

 The record shows that Bryan Overand fathered two children with Sarah A in 1808 and 1810, called William and Elizabeth (NSW BMD)Elizabeth died, William has been lost

William Overand would have been 20 in 1828. Let us say he married a Catherine x who was transported on the Sydney Cove. She would have become Catherine Overand 40ish per Sydney Cove.  A William Overand and Catherine had a daughter Elizabeth in 1839 (NSW BMD). A William Overand died 1849 (NSW BMD).  [the BMD do not show a remarriage of a Catherine Overand, or a death of a Catherine Overand]

There were 3 Catherines on the Sydney Cove 1807, including Catherine McNalty. One other was a Katherine, Katherine Roberts tried Edinbourgh. The other two Catherines were Catherine Watts and Catherine Baird alias McLeod.

We need to trace these two Catherines to eliminate them from the possibility of having married/de facoed William Overand c 1828, or to show that they could have done so.

There was a marriage of a Catherine Watts to Daniel McGrigger in 1807, could be our girl from the Cove, but we cannot eliminate her unless we can prove that McGrigger did not die prior to 1828 and his widow  Catherine McGrigger married William Overand.

No trace of catherine Baird aka McLeod.

Help, please!

David

[davclem]

OK everybody, especially Twiggy, my post 99 and all previous information I have provide on the origins of Catherine McNally , aka Mrs Ransom and later Christine Stieglitz are wrong.

I am advised that the 1823/4/5 General Muster of NSW shows Catherine McNalty per Sydney Cove resident in NSW, an adult employed by Mr Hassall of Bringelly, Ref 31584 page 374. As an adult she is too old to be the child with Catherine McNalty on the Sydney Cove 1807.  In my original research I stopped following the trail in NSW past 1820 when I found the 1810 marriage of Catherine to Bryan Overend and the Norfolk Island and VDL connection between Thomas Ransom and Bryan and the McNally connection to Thomas.

My apologies to all I have mislead- my only excuse being that network based web research in 2009 provides easier access to more checkable information than travelling 200km to trawl through hard copy on archive shelves in a limited time. However, sorry for the trouble caused, folks.

So Catherine McNally in Hobart with Thomas Ransom was either her maiden or widowed or married  name, or an assumed name She either came to VDL with Thomas on the Kangaroo in late 1814, or was already in the colony, or came to the colony between 1815-1819. According to her gravestone she was 68 in 1857, so born c 1789, but the 1843 Census for "Killymoon" shows no married female over 45 ie c1797, so she shaded her age or the enumerator got it wrong. There was a "reason of long standing "why she could not marry Thomas which did not stop her marrying Stieglitz in 1830, so prima facie the reason lay with Thomas and ceased with his death.

Lets start again

David

 

[Wiggy]

Phew!!

Back to the drawing board!

Have just put a post on the Common room board asking for help with marine lists for first and second fleet.    Have spent morning trawling fleet lists to see if I can see a suitable match for someone with a baby - there are so many crew and marine people not named it is impossible!

Wiggy         wishing she were twiggy!!

[VDLstories]

Oh well - happens to all of us in the twisted realm of family history research!

meanwhile - who was the Christian McNally  who gave evidence, also present at the Inn incident - mentioned in my previous post ?

Julie

[Wiggy]

Ah that's the question! - She was there alright and she was the partner of my GGGgrandfather - all that is history - of the family oral tradition - (which is so far proving to be amazingly correct). 

 The question is from where did she emerge? -  and maybe we'll never know the answer - and the other question is, was Thomas her partner the father of her two children - only one of whom is registered at St David's i.e. Thomas 1820 -  GGgrandfather.

I think that is # 1  in this post!!!        but the journey is proving most interesting!

Don't give up David?    An R.E.R.i.T.   is made of sterner stuff

Wiggy

[davclem]

 (T)Wiggy,

I think that should be RSRIT
Julie, all your( marvellous) info  is about the right person, the question now (again) where did she come from pre 1819 and who was she?

David

[Wiggy]

" but the 1843 Census for "Killymoon" shows no married female over 45  ie c1797, so she shaded her age or the enumerator got it wrong. "

Or she was visiting her daughter Anne up the road on census night!!          Well,   - she might have been !! 

Purely as a matter of interest, there is no age given on the marriage certificate - so she could have told Frederick any age!   And Martin Cash says she is still good looking - not in so many words but you get the gist.

Wiggy

[Wiggy]

Just found the Brig Kangaroo arriving in Sydney in 1814 with free passengers on board - not named on this site but I'm getting there - maybe!   No idea where - but somewhere!

Wiggy

[davclem]

There is an 1843 Census record for a Mrs Stieglitz , Launceston. Catherine may have been away from home that night- I have asked for copy, but could be a week or two
David