Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1820: MCNALLY Catharine; AMOS T: STIEGLITZ

[Wiggy]

OK - today's thought re Catharine and Thomas Jnr.

Well, Bryan was out of the picture and Catharine was being Thomas's 'faithful and valuable female who had for years borne his name . . .was unhappily unable to enter into the legal state of matrimony, in consequence of circumstances....which she could neither alter nor recur to, and which until the prying eye of some persecuting hypocrite ferretted out their secret, which before was generally unknown'.  They couldn't marry but they did have a child - T Jnr. (OK, so Anne may have been Bryan's - still to be proved)  Thomas Snr couldn't acknowledge him because - well I mean - look at what happened when the locals spoke out about them not being married - he lost his license -   even though 'his reputation was unimpeached and he was universally esteemed' - (no wonder I want him for a GGGG!!    )

I presume 'recur to' means C couldn't prove Bryan was still around - off at sea or dead at sea.     

 So they just partied on together with THEIR son until Thomas's death - but Thomas Snr is all the time making good provision for C and T Jnr by accepting more grants of land.    Young Thomas was baptised McNally - but that fact didn't have to be  known by all and sundry - maybe just the Rev Knopwood knew that!  Young Thom could still have been known as Ransom to the general public - but not in the Will because that is legal!          Ane we don't know that Thomas Jnr was not known as Ransom to everyone - infact - it sounds as if he was  - see quote above about being generally unknown!   That report wasn't made until 1825.

By the way, this makes a good reason for why Anne didn't even rate a mention in the Will. 

 I rest my case - for now!   

Wiggy

[davclem]

HOBART TOWN GAZETTE
3 Jan 1818 to 25 Dec 1819

Entries for Thomas Ransom

4 July 1818
Settlers who have tendered freth meat for the supply of  His majest’s Stores at Hobart Town, Van Diemens Land, and from whom the under mentioned quantities will be received – from the first to the 7th of August, Thomas Ransom , 1000lbs ( repeated 11 July 1818)

15 August 1818
RANSOM v WILLIAMSON  I will als caufe to be fet up for Sale by Auction on Wednesday 19th inft at Twelve O’clock ,a Dwelling Houfe fituate at Macquarie Ftreet, with fome furniture therein, the Property of the defendant, unlefs the Executions on the above Actions are previuosly  fuperfeded. Martin Tims Provoft Marfhall

22 August 1818
RANSOM v WILLIAMSON
To be Sold by Public Auction, on the premifes of Mr R Morgan at Kangaroo Point, on Monday the 24th inft at Twelve O’clock, Ten Head of Horned Cattle; alfo, at 4o’clock on the fame Day, a Dwelling Houfe and premifes, fituate in Macquarie –ftreet,the Property of the defendant in this Caufe.

3 October 1818
A lift of Publicans who are duly licenfed for the keeping of Public Houfes, and Vending of Wines, Spirits and Beer- Thomas Ranfom, sign Carpenter’s Arms

10 October 1818
CAUTION-having fuftained repeated and ferious injury from the neighbouring stock-holders treffpaffing on Captain Jeffrey’s farm at Pitt Water, I herby notify that in future all Cattle ofany defcription found  on the faid Farm will be immediately impounded and the Owner or Owners profecuted for the Damages.
THOMAS RANSOM Agent to Captain Jeffreys

7 November 1818
Foe Sale at Mr Ransom’s in Murray ftreet, beft Bengal Rum, fine Hylon tea at 12shillings per lb, white sugar at 1s per lb, black worfted and white cotton stockings, muflins, calicoes, clothes and numerous other articles

9 January 1819
To be paid from the Police Fund ofVan Diemen’s Land, Quarter ending 30th September 1818, Mr Thomas Ransom, as Superintendant of Boat Builders  &12.10.00

10 April 1819
See 9 January , ditto in respect of Quarter ended 31 December 1818

15 May 1819
Benefactors and Annual Subscribers to the Auxilliary Branch  Bible Society of Van Diemens Land, Thomas ransom benefaction 2.2.0 and annual subscription 1.0.0


5th June 1819
NOTICE-In order to accommodate the persons indebted to James Campbell, ferryman , of Hobart Town, who may be inclined to pay their refpective debts, as requefted in last  Saturday’s Gazette, I hereby notify that the same will be receifed by Mr Thomas Ransom of Murray-ftreet, who I have authorized to grant Receiots on my behalf, John Gibson,Agent on behalf of James Campbell, June 3rd,1819, Clarence Plains

19 June 1819
See 10 April 1819, ditto in respect of Quarter ended 31st March 1819. Salary  &10.10.00

26 June 1819
LOST a few days ago, a Metal Watch with a chain and three gold seals-whoever has found the Fame and will bring them to Mr Ransom at the sign of the Carpenter’s Arms, Murray –ftreet,will receive Five Pounds Reward for their teouble

19 July 1819
As 4 July 1818, 750lbs between  25 September-2 October 1819

18 September 1819
See 19 June 1819, ditto in respect of quarter ended 30th June 1819, salary 12.10.00

16 October 1819
See 3 Ocober 1818, but at the sign of the Joiner’s Arms

4 December 1819
Now on sale at Mr Ransom’s in Murray ftreet, some excellent Plumbs at a moderate Price

As 18 September, ditto, in respect of quarter ended 30th September 1819,&12.10.00

[davclem]

Wiggy,

We need to put on the record that Anne Ransom who married Francis Stieglitz, brother of F L Stieglitz, was described by Martin Cash in 1837 as adopted and seemed younger than Thomas born 1820. Her age at marriage was given as 22 so born 1818. assume that is correct and she is not the child of Catherine and Bryan Overend ( NSW muster 1814), then she may have been a convict woman's child, and where was the Hobart Female Factory in 1818 but in a room at the corner of Murray and Macquarie Street.

My understanding is that old Thomas ( died 1829 at modern day Kempton) was buried in a part of a cemetery which is now under the Midland Highway

David

[Wiggy]

That would explain why, when we searched the Kempton graveyard, we were unable to find a gravestone - it seemed odd that one of such standing had no memorial - it also seems odd that the headstone wouldn't have been moved when the road was built - but maybe is was in a very bad state of repair.  There were a few illegible stones way up the back which didn't seem to be in original place by way they were situated.

Re Anne - will alter my tree to note new info!       (Refer back to post 79 please!! - laughing)

Thanks for all that info from the gazette David - specially with all the old spellings included!!   I saw a list of Inns supplied from Cascade Brewery when I was chatting to the manager there;   ( I was waiting for my daughter who was on the tour, and mentioned that I was looking for the Inns - he was very helpful and interested, and took me on a tour of their history room!)   Both Joiner's Arms and Carpenter's Arms were mentioned on it.  Also have clips from other Hobart papers where both of those inns and subsequently Royal Oak are mentioned.  Trouble is, I reckon there must have been two Joiner's Arms!  one in Murray as per paper and one in Macquarie as per 'Short History of South Hobart' - or someone has got their facts muddled.   It happens!    I do it all the time!

I was so proud of myself for recognising GGGg in "The Hermit of VDL' before looking up the index of persons at the back!   She seems to have been a 'good egg'  (inspite of stealing 19 shawls -value 36s) - which is a relief!

Wiggy

[Wiggy]

Also, was looking in the  Female Factory lists last night - they don't seem to list babies, so may be hard to substantiate findings on this.           Couldn't she have been Thomas's??   If we are presuming correct date of birth was 1817/18.     Refer again to post 79 on this thread! 

Cheers

Wiggy

[VDLstories]

hi Ransom and McNally folk

I haven't had time to read all your discussions and links from May - but look forward to it

but I am typing out /transcribing old manuscipts and came upon a Mrs Ransom and her Inn - reference - and thought I'd google her - I did know of the Killymoon connection but not much else

I have Vincent - of Vincents Inns and Oatlands Mill ancestry (amongst others)

anyhow,  I thought I'd share this - hot from the pages of an 1829 deposition by Catherine - then cc Mc Nally - pasted below. enjoy!

“Mr Gage and Mr Gregson were at the Royal Oak Inn on Magisterial Business one day when Mrs Owen of Swan Inn was here – the only day she … ?  was here – between 11 – 12 o clock at night. I was sitting in company with Mr Harrison, Jun, Keeper at Jericho and Mrs Owen. Mr Harrison remarked that he wished he could get Mr Gregson to come home, meaning as I understood to Jericho. Mrs Owen immediately observed that Mr Gregson was not going home that night, and he betted five shillings that he would not go home. Its done said she – and Mr Harrison immediately got up and walked into the room where Mr Gregson was – I do not know what passed but he instantly returned and paid the 5 shillings to Mrs Owen saying I have lost it – she took the money and gave me four shillings for him to her own servants. Very soon after I went up stairs – Mr Gregson followed me up and into the bedroom where I was and asked me where Mrs Owen was to sleep – I asked him, what is that to you? he said 0 but tell me for I want to know. Well if you want to know, said I,  she sleeps with me – Let me know said he – for I have her permission – indeed said I, but you don’t sleep here with her I assure you. I would not allow such a thing in my house for the best fifty pounds you can had for I am above it – and if I caught you and her at any things improper in my house I would have pitched you both down stairs – with that I left the room and came down stairs. Mr Ransom who is now dead remarked on my coming into the room that I paid Mrs Owen who was sitting there no attention – I had better give her a little wine – and I exclaimed in her hearing curse? such women they are a disgrace to their sex – she instantly rose ordered her cart and went out – I saw Mr Gregson stand beside the cart as she left in the cart. When Mr Harrison laid the wagon with Mrs Owen, he said that he had no other business but to see Mr Gregson home as Mrs Gregson expected to be confined any hour.

My distinct impression was that Mr Gregson was in earnest in his proposal.

Sworn before me by way of affidavit this 20th day of August 1829
H Simpson

CC Mc Nally "


  Julie

[Wiggy]

Thanks Julie - that is interesting - more  grist to the mill!   I wonder what they were doing!  Doesn't sound as if Catharine wanted anything to do with it anyhow!     She called Catharine in the deposition?   I had the feeling she was known as Christina in Tasmania - interesting!!

Wiggy

[davclem]

Julie,
You are magic! another thread in the tale, and Wiggy will undoubtedly be delighted that her GGGM was such a pillar of rectitude!

David

[VDLstories]

hi again

no sorry not called Catherine / Catharine or Christina in the docs  - only as CC Mc Nally and  prior to this doc - as  Mrs Ransom

I wish I could   visit  that inn  - fly on wall - in those times

I will post more soon! next week

bye
julie