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Re: Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1821: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #63 on: Monday 06 July 09 06:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks Robyn - I'd found it before but not taken good enough note of it!   Reading as I went along, I am truly horrified as the random nature of the sentencing! 

Do you know - could Free men in positions (as Captain) force convicts to marry them - I know she may well have wanted to - but could the marriage have been forced upon her?  Just interested!   She doesn't seem to have been too keen on her Captain!

Wiggy
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1821: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #64 on: Monday 06 July 09 07:53 BST (UK) »
Whoa there- forced marriage? She had Mrs Macquarie and Governor Macquarie getting her out of Newcastle, Overhand having punch ups with Purcell over her- I don't think our righteous Governor and his lady were into white slaving- and don't forget Bryan's was a 7year sentence which at full term was up in 1814, by then he was out of favour with Macquarie for looking the othere way about absconding convicts, perhaps he had to leave, he was a mariner, got position on the Emu, it sank, he couldn't get back, he trusted Catherine to Thomas, a nice guy and very old, things just happened, he cam back as Ormond, fathered young Thomas, still incognito, died in 1824-its a complete fabrication, but all the facts fit it, and it is an epic love tragedy! I like it

It is very morish when you get a sniff of the trail!

Joiners Arms was Murray Street- ad in Colonial Times 9 Sept 1825, page 1 col 1 "To be let for the term of two, three or five years,the Joiners Arms Tavern in Murray Street and occupation given on the 29th inst. For further particulars apply to Mr T Ransom on the premises"

Thomas Ransom was allocated pew13 in the distribution of pews in St Davids Church 22 September 1820, with Barnes, Wallis, Hopwood, Connelly, Eddington and Devine

Booboo on my part-told you I was relying om memory- Lady Nelson was not the ship used for the last evacuation party off Norfolk, it was Kangaroo commanded by Wm Hutchinson who wrote to Macquarie  about the settlers in the party " Mr Thomas Ransome, the Master Carpenter, is desirous of settling at the Derwent, I beg leave to recommend him for such extension of land as your Excellency may judge him deserving of" ( Punishment Short of Death - Margaret Hazzard 1984).. However, the more  primary source is Historical Records of Australia, which prefaces the above with "I should be wanting in justice were i to pass by Mr Thomas Ransom, the Master Carpenter, whose diligence and attention in keeping the boats in repair enabled me to expedite the service" The kangaroo reached Sydney on 10 march 1814. On May 7 the following item appeared in the Sydney Gazette  "Thomas Ransome, John Hatcher, etc, etc, proceeding southwards in His majeaty's brig Kangaroo request all claims to be presented for payment" You need to Google the journey of the Kangaroo under Lieut James  Jeffreys from Sydney-Hobart 1814 to get the details

It was the Cross Marsh near the Green Ponds

David

Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth,  born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820

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Re: Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1821: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #65 on: Monday 06 July 09 08:08 BST (UK) »
(Henry Savery "The hermit in Van Diemens Land)
December 1829

"Upon finishing my ride from Bothwell, I found a comfortable resting place at a large and commodious brick residence, standin a little off the road. Justice to the excellent entertainment the good landladys management afforded demands that Igive a few particulars of the hostess herself, and of the manner in which I spent two or three days in her truly comfortable home. As I really feel much to be her due, I will say that although she is not all that she has been, she has still not yet so far o'erstepped the meridian of her days as to have lost the possession of much  for which doubtless she has heretofore been greatly admired." (Take that as a compliment, I suppose- Catherine at the Royal Oak)

David
Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth,  born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820

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Re: Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1821: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #66 on: Monday 06 July 09 08:17 BST (UK) »
 :D    :D   I love your fabrication!!  ;)  Definitely the stuff films are made of!     I was just asking, please Sir, if convicts could be forced into marriage - or agree to it just to get out of their convict digs!!   ;D   (Glad to know theirs was a wonderful love story written by D C.)

I hadn't realized Bryan was a convict also - you didn't say that did you??  No wonder he felt inclined to let them escape. Have to go back and re-read!

 So you reckon that photo I took of the place in Macquarie Street is a bum steer then do you - pity!  It looks good!   And I'll have to remove the photo of 'Lady Nelson' too - Come on David - just when I was getting things looking really pretty!   ::)    Must say that ship didn't ring bells with Thomas.   (just thought,  I can leave it on Bryan's page can't I?  ;) )
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1821: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #67 on: Monday 06 July 09 08:20 BST (UK) »
Re reply 65 - "could very well pass for 43 in the dark with the light behind her"  I think Gilbert and Sullivan put it!   :D


I'm going to have to return to work to pay for all the photocopies I want of all the Colonial Secretary's letter regarding this trio of people -  Thomas, Bryan and Catharine.  I want to read about the punch-ups!  I'm getting the Martin Cash book on  an inter-library loan and my friend has found 'The Hermit of VDL' for me.    A long letter to the Mitchell library is called for.   :)


Wiggy
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1821: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #68 on: Monday 06 July 09 10:10 BST (UK) »
I was looking around for Bryan and his trial - (which I can't find!!) and I found this request instead - did you ever see this?  It adds more fuel to the fire!  I think it was posted on Rootsweb about a year ago!

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Does anyone know of anything about PJ convict Bryan/Brian Overend/Overhand/Overand who arrived in 1806 on the Fortune?  He had at least two children Elizabeth (1810) and William ( 1808) by Sarah Anderson.  Elizabeth died as a baby, but what happened to William - may have taken the name Anderson.  there is a William Overend burial on NSW BDM index in 1849 aged 43 - But what Happened to Bryan?   (end Quote)

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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1821: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #69 on: Monday 06 July 09 11:46 BST (UK) »
Wiggy,

By coincidence (!)I posted to you about an hour ago giving chapter and verse on Bryan and Sarah and Elizabeth, and the whole lot disappeared in a puff of smoke before I hit "Post". True, I really did. Will repeat it, but at the moment am going to watch Spooks! Have got two meetings tomorrow, so it will be tomorrow evening before it happens. Are you going to answer the post, or move it onto me?

David
 
Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth,  born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820

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Re: Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1821: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #70 on: Monday 06 July 09 12:46 BST (UK) »
Now I know I've had good tuition these last two days - but I really don't feel competent to take this one on - and anyway maybe someone else has answered by now - I have responded to several leads on Rootschat only to realize that I am up to three years out of date    ::)  - comes from acting fast and reading after!

My knees are cold and I'm going to bed!   Oh dear - old age?   :o   Never let it be said!

I will look forward to reading the 'chapter and verse' after your meetings and my visitor/ing.

Cheers
W
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1821: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #71 on: Monday 06 July 09 12:59 BST (UK) »
Birth;
Elizabeth OVERAND
1839 NSW
Parents William and Catherine

Birth;
William ANDERSON, Mother Sarah, 1809

Death; of a Sarah ANDERSON, aged, 13, born c 1817, in 1830

Quite a few deaths of a William Anderson in NSW in right time-frame
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)