Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1820: MCNALLY Catharine; AMOS T: STIEGLITZ

[Wiggy]

Went to Cora Nunn via Google, then to Col.Tas. Family Links,  and turned up an entry for Anne Ransom which says birth 1817 (right according to our history); marriage 1889 - totally out of wack- should be 7 May 1840 - to Francis Walter von Stieglitz - correct; and death 1892 - also correct.    The birth is registered as TASMAN, Tasmania - just like that - does that tell you anything?   On a ship??  
There are some other entries where the whole entry disagrees  with everything we know about her - so I am dismissing those.

What do you think about that?    I know it isn't Catharine - but if it helps trace her movements - then it has to be helpful  -  right???

Wiggy         

[majm]

Ah,

So you are hoping that sometime during say the period 1815-1819 Thomas Amos met Catharine Christina McN (he was a widower with 2 boys at school in Sydney), either at PJ Sydney or HT or PD in VDL.   Ummm, so perhaps she was a worker on one of his farms out the back of Sydney - perhaps we need to search for any assigned convicts to him.  Ummm,  I will "phone a friend" later this evening.

JM

[regross]

WHoa,

Did I miss something we have a name for Catharine's father "THOMAS" !!!??

we have a Thomas Rook refered to here
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/628849?searchTerm=william+rook
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2184705?searchTerm=william+rook

I spent a lot of time reading the the material turned up on the NLA search and one entry refers to a MR Rook and family. sailing from Hobart to Port Jackson
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2448596?searchTerm=william+rook
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2186739?searchTerm=william+rook
I doubt this is related to our research.

There were far more references than I put in my reply to this thread  as none took us any further forward. WIlliam Rook seemd to be a prolific sealer and re reading the NZ article it is ambiguous as to what year the death was in.

I must admit that the 1825 death sounds right as although there are references to Rook after then seems not to be Captain William Rook.

earliest references to William Rook
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/626738?searchTerm=william+rook
1808 April, permisssion to proceed southwards;
 http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/627620?searchTerm=william+rook
1808 November as master of the Governor Hunter

http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/628849?searchTerm=william+rook
1814 departure on the Elizabeth and Mary

http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2176871?searchTerm=william+rook
1816 November letters waiting to be collected

http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2177188?searchTerm=william+rook
1817   re departure on the Rosetta

http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2177188?searchTerm=william+rook
1819 Departure on the Elizabeth & Mary

and these are just a few!!

One however mentions him as being the administrator of an estate of someone who died on Macquarrie Island 1813
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2178445?searchTerm=william+rook

There is much to uncover!!!

Robyn

[regross]

Well there is always the researcher who has a pedigree file on the Samuel and Ann Rook in the IGI who may be able to end our research one way or another:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp (search for Selina Rook then click in the only pedigree file and then on submission number and search for rook)

Can't post his contact details so you will have to go looking.

Take a look at the Rook Entires in the Submission,

There is a SELINA ROOK daughter of HENRY ROOK who is a grandson of Samuel and Ann Rook through George Rook mentioned in my earlier post re the IGI family.

family in the IGI:parents Samuel & Ann
19 SEP 1785 WILLIAM ROOK
Gender: Male Christening:  Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England
11 FEB 1788 CATHARINE ROOK -
Gender: Female Christening: Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England
02 JAN 1792 GEORGE ROOK
Gender: Male Christening:  Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England

I noted Catharine's daughter was called ANN.

Samuel seems to have been born in Birmingham 1762 either  to Edward and Elizabeth or to John and CATHERINE Rook(e) in Birmingham in 1761 and what makes this family interesting is their children's names:
Anne, Samuel Edward, Elizabeth, Thomas, William.

Interesting that the names are so similar!! I will leave it to you to take alook at whats out there in the IGI.

hunting on

Robyn

[Wiggy]

The Thomas mentioned in the previous few replies on thei page is Thomas Amos father of Anne Ransome - who's confused Robyn, me or you??      Are we talking about hte same man??

The Thomas mentioned as being from Wigton by David on his second last post was just to stir everyone and see if anyone noticed - - take no notice at all!!    Any other Thomases - let them drown I say!   Except my two Ransom Thomases. - we'll keep them - very important or I wouldn't be here!

Wiggy       

PS   All those references to William Rook are good finds Robyn - I reckon this man may be Catharine's brother - what do you think?    'It's in the vibes!' - did you see 'The Castle?'

[regross]

The number of ROOK searchers thickens a 2004 plea:
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/ROOK/2004-01/1073250130
and in 2003
http://boards.ancestry.myfamily.com/surnames.rook/238/mb.ashx

1813-1815 sealing voyages from Port JAckson
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=Sg49AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=%22William+Rook%22&source=bl&ots=4bdOCq5En9&sig=4fQETjmzfHqyZnJaD4pIHm6-OoU&hl=en&ei=05R2SsKWKdKJkQX0rJ2WDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=%22William%20Rook%22&f=false

ome stsuff outthere if you search for it.

Robyn

[Wiggy]

I wonder - would you be master of a ship at about 30 do you think?         Just trying to work out if William is the father or the brother of Catharine Rook.     I suppose you could be - I mean, look at Bryan - but only briefly!     

Very interesting information - specially the last about the Macquarie Island trips - I was listening to a book reading on the radio some time ago about one of the gangs which were landed on one of the Antarctic Islands and got left there due to bad weather - pretty terrible conditions!  And quite desperate by the time they were finally rescued.

Cheers

Wiggy

[Wiggy]

Robyn - see R220 - it is I who am confused.     We do need an extra Thomas - if David's brief IGI foray is to hold up!

Thomas and Sarah in Thorney Nottingham have children Ann and Cathorine (thought David was making up spelling to be obliging - but no) and hopefully William - as older brother to those two    ( or brother or father of Thomas  - just repeating the thread to see if it makes sense.)

OR   Samuel and Ann in Birmingham with Catharine - ditto re William.     

You know what - I don't think I've made anything clearer at all at all!!   Ah well!!

Wiggy     'early in the morning, while it was yet dark'

[majm]

Hi Wiggy and everyone,

On the ABC radio this morning there was an announcement about CONVICT records becoming available TODAY via the commercial website, Ance**** .   Apparently the records cover as early as 1791.  I will try to find out more about this latest release. 

JM