Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1820: MCNALLY Catharine; AMOS T: STIEGLITZ

[davclem]

JM,

Interesting info about the double entry-have wondered before, but never checked-thanks.

I have checked NSW BMD as follows, ignoring surnames to eliminate spelling variations, such as you have found

1 Marriages 1803-1817 ( based on aad 67=born c 1789)for anybody called Catherine, Catharine,Catherina, Catharina, Christina. No relevant groom name

2 Births 1788-1797 same names-6 hits, 4 canbe accounted for, and Currins and Kennedy would  have been only 15 in 1811 when John born to Catherine andJohn  McNally, and this does not fit with any subsequent indications of age.

Nice to have "Team Catherine" firing on all cylinders!

David

David

[regross]

Hi Jm

That's how I found the Mcannaly entry for John!! (parents John and Catherine)
Must admit to being disappointed when you found no more!!!. (also the same for marriages)

Have discovered a useful way of searching births is just:

surname initial & wild card,  first name and a year range  .

It will even bring up late registrations ie births registered after 1908 if they occured up to that date and have been proven and accepted by the registrar, I have come across several this way. It happens when children's births seem not to have been registered at the time  but their marriage and death certificates prove their parents and year and place of birth then they MAY be registered and the year given will be the year of registration not of birth. I suspect other details will be needed as well.

Must admit it is interesting finding births in 2005  when you are searching for births in the 1800's!!!! but that's how they show up. Presumably the registration has the year of birth on it and it is somehow linked to the index.


Dave, JM and Wiggy,

Must admit I like puzzles and clueless crosswords!! I like to get to the end of things!!!

have a restful Sunday

Robyn

[regross]

Hi all

try googling "Captain William Rook" or "Captain Rook"

Even a lithograph of a Captian Rook in the NGA!!!!!  http://www.printsandprintmaking.gov.au/catalogues/work/41099/nelson-p-whitelocke-captain-rook.aspx surely an attempt at the character in "Vanity Fair" of the same name.


and a bit aboutour Capt Rook  here
http://www.rduggan.com/griffiths.html

and is this his death c1825

The schooner, in the course of her voyage, went into very high latitudes, and experienced weather of the utmost severity. One man well known in Sydney, Captain Rook, got frost-bitten, lost the use of his limbs, and died.

from http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-McNMuri-t1-body-d1-d25.html
( but he is referred to in a newspaper aticle on the NLA data base in 1826)

try this a reference to CATHARINE ROOK on the Perseverence in May 1811 with James Macanally alias Wilson Do we need to look at the alias?

(SOOOO many James and John Wilsons but some deaths in 1829 both NSW and Tas no marriages of James or John to Cath*rine in NSW) don't really want to pursue this surname

earliest mention of William Rook 1805
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/626738?searchTerm=captain+rook

http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/628249?searchTerm=captain+rook

MORE TO EXPLORE! Books to source!!

"thre is even a present day Captain William G Rook!!!!

Robyn

modified to add references

[Wiggy]

Not sure but I think David has followed up on the John Macanally/Wilson alias.  I think I remember that - but I'm getting a bit confused!

It sounds as if that is the best fit to date doesn't it?    So maybe Catharine was Catharine Rook  - were they going to VDL?  Obviously they weren't married at that time - but they could have had a baby with them with the surname Macanally.    The baby has to be registered in Sydney doesn't it?!  No mention of baby on board Perseverance. Doesn't mean baby wasn't there I suppose!  Did you notice how not all the people on the Perseverance were listed - ad a couple below for another person on the same ship - but not mixing with the 'scrum'.     

Anyone know when John Macanally was born?  Ship sailing in May!

Oh boy - leave the deck for a couple of hours and see what seas we've sailed into - don't know which island to turn to next!!

Y'all do the looking - I'll try to keep up with reasoning!!!             

Wiggy      In a spin.

[davclem]

Can't leave you lot alone for a minute without information melt down!

Love all the new  Capt Rook research, and the searching tips on birth registrations

William Rook was apparently married to Mary Huxtable, so Catherine on Perserverance with John McNally must be a sister or daughter? If so ,we are there, nicht? So we are looking for a Catherine Rook born c 1789?

David

[davclem]

How about Cath(o)rine Rook ( solves the debate about Cath(e)rine or Cath(a)rine), christened 18 April 1790 at Thorney Nottingham, daughter of Thomas and sister of Ann, Mother and sister called Sarah?

To be valid, we need a William as brother to Thomas? or a William as father of Thomas, making Catherine niece or granddaughter.

Bad research- making constructs before checking facts, but sooooo tempting to do

David

[davclem]

Just too good not to share- How about Thomas Rook son of William Rook born 1751 in Cumberland...at Wigton

There you are Wiggy, the perfect ending

David

PS facts are true, but connection is (at moment) wishful thinking

[Wiggy]

See reply 203
David,

Surely we want a William as son of Thomas don't we - if William is sister of Catharine and Catharine is daughter of Thomas?   How old is William supposed to be - he could be a bit older than Catharine and therefore not home for census - I presume you are looking at a census not BMD.   He is Cap't of ship and Catherine is about  21 in 1811 - so one would think he would be a bit older than her - wouldn't one?

Wiggy - reeling - ha ha get that - like a drunken sailor!

[Wiggy]

Yes - the Wigton is good - but I reckon that William is a bit old for being out on the high seas - in those days!    In these days he'd be just starting a solo round the world voyage!

Wiggy