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Re: Need help to decipher old handwriting in will
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 23 May 09 00:41 BST (UK) »
Dear MKG and Graham,

Thank you very much for your help so far, it is greatly appreciated.


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Re: Need help to decipher old handwriting in will
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 23 May 09 15:05 BST (UK) »
Not a lot of time today (slight computer infection to deal with - entirely my own stupid fault), so does anyone want to carry on with this bit?

(Moderator - I'll assume that if this image stays where it is, then it would be OK to post another extract later on?).

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Griffiths, Howard, Johnson, McLeod, Rizz(a)(i)(o)
Berwick (Tweedmouth and Spittal), Blyth(N'land) between the wars, Wrexham, Tattersett

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Re: Need help to decipher old handwriting in will
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 23 May 09 16:17 BST (UK) »
"hereditaments out of which the said yearly rent or annual sum of fifteen pounds to be issuing and payable as aforesaid or into or upon any part or parts thereof to enter and distrain for the said yearly rent or annual sum of fifteen pounds or so much thereof as shall be then so in arrear or unpaid as aforesaid and the distress and distresses then and there found and taken to load drive carry away and impound and in ...to detain and keep until the said yearly rent or annual sum of fifteen pounds and all arrears thereof and all costs charges and expenses relating to or attending the said distress or distresses shall be fully satisfied and paid and in default thereof in due time after such distress or distressess shall be so taken to appraise sell and dispose of the same distress and or distresses or otherwise to ...(remain?)  therein according to Law in like manner as in [such] distresses taken for rent reserved by Lease or common service to the end and intent that thereby she my said wife Mary Mendus and my said Grandson Thomas Mendus may be fully satisfied and paid thus and her share of these...
Warwicks: Whitehead, Allcock, Atkins, Bayley, Beacham, Bilson, Brooks, Cleaver,Farmer,Gilks, Lucas, Kendall, Oliver, Pickard, Shilton, Underhill.
Lincs: Kendall, Clark, Morley,Vincent, Withers, Barlow,Dawson.
Leics. Vincent
Notts: Bardill, Bugg, Morley, Winfield
Dublin: Brooks, Flood.

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Re: Need help to decipher old handwriting in will
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 23 May 09 18:46 BST (UK) »
I think the first query is "pound", in the sense of an area reserved for keeping impounded animals.

The second one might be "demean". I have an 1896 dictionary which  gives an alternative meaning of this word, marked as obsolete even then, as "To treat; to conduct; to manage" , which would make sense in this context.

Hope that helps

Roger


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Re: Need help to decipher old handwriting in will
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 23 May 09 19:34 BST (UK) »
Yes I did think it could be 'pound' but in fact another theory is that with the document being so repetative the 'im'and 'pound' which follows impound might be a mistake and the sentence could make sense without it.
Warwicks: Whitehead, Allcock, Atkins, Bayley, Beacham, Bilson, Brooks, Cleaver,Farmer,Gilks, Lucas, Kendall, Oliver, Pickard, Shilton, Underhill.
Lincs: Kendall, Clark, Morley,Vincent, Withers, Barlow,Dawson.
Leics. Vincent
Notts: Bardill, Bugg, Morley, Winfield
Dublin: Brooks, Flood.

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Re: Need help to decipher old handwriting in will
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 23 May 09 22:13 BST (UK) »
Referring to Post #5, I think the answer to 3. is Penyrallt,which is a fairly common Welsh name, often used for farms, and meaning something like "Top of the hill".

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Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
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Re: Need help to decipher old handwriting in will
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 24 May 09 13:05 BST (UK) »
Still battling the little vermin ....

Final part of page 2

Griffiths, Howard, Johnson, McLeod, Rizz(a)(i)(o)
Berwick (Tweedmouth and Spittal), Blyth(N'land) between the wars, Wrexham, Tattersett

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Re: Need help to decipher old handwriting in will
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 24 May 09 15:28 BST (UK) »
Since a will by definition is a document in the public domain, how can it be copywrited to the National Archives, or for that matter anyone?
Ayres Brignell Cornwell Harvey Shipp  Stimpson Stubbings (all Cambs) Baumber Baxter Burton Ethards Proctor Stanton (all Lincs) Luffman (all counties)

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Re: Need help to decipher old handwriting in will
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 24 May 09 22:39 BST (UK) »
Perhaps it  is the image which has the copyright, rather than the document.  If this is the case, it would mean that anyone - in theory - could make a copy and share it.  But presumably there are rules against That Sort of Behaviour because, as we know, profit is what this is all about.  It is rather a shame that quasi-government agencies have discovered how to cash in on various interests by using copyright law, particularly as most of them are covered by Crown copyright which attracts rather unpleasant penalties for those who infringe the regulations.  Hence the reason why the Mods react so quickly to any likelihood of infringement, because it is they who would ultimately face prosecution, not us.
Suffolk: Pearl(e),  Garnham, Southgate, Blo(o)mfield,Grimwood/Grimwade,Josselyn/Gosling
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
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