Thanks for that, much appreciated. The family later became fairground folk, so maybe the wandering came from this generation. The Elliot / Logan connection certainly makes sense, there are a couple of other children (both Mary) attributed to William Elliot & Elizabeth Logan in Dumfries & Perth that I discounted as being too far off track, but who knows with this family? If you get a chance, can you see where ROBERT LOGAN was in 1861, that might be another line to follow. Thanks again. Jim