griffith valuations for 1848 onwards - how to date the information?

[shanew147]

The individual plots of land in a townland are numbered on the map. This is what has to match with the plot reference on the Griffiths page. The plot reference is shown at the beginning of the line.

Sometimes smaller plots of land are sub-divided using letters - 15 a,b,c... etc


Shane

[Seamiuse]

The notes says; position 27, map referance 2.

Question is does that mean he has section 17 on the map or section 2?   I am missing out on exactly what a "position" and what a "map ref" is.

Here's the map (part of it) for example
http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww316/CrvLvrs/Geneology/Griffiths-5.jpg

[shanew147]

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The notes says; position 27, map referance 2.

Question is does that mean he has section 17 on the map or section 2?   I am missing out on exactly what a "position" and what a "map ref" is.
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I dont think those references are relevant to the map location - the AskAboutIreland summary page uses the term 'position on page' to describe the line that contains the record selected on the actual Griffiths page.

I dont think the summary page includes the full plot references (often a number and letter), so you need to look at the actual Griffith's page to see the full detail. Click on one of the icons in the column headed 'original page'. The plot reference is on this page at the beginning of the line - this is captioned 'No. and letters of Reference on Map'

If you post a name and townland I can locate the plot of land for you to show you how...


Shane

[Seamiuse]

Greetings Shane!

I appreciate the assistance, Thank You!

I am sure this is a no brainer, but something isn't making sense to me.

ok, here's the fellow we'll use for example;

Family Name 1      MORRISROE
Forename 1    JAMES
Landlord
Family Name 2    TAAFFE
Forename 2    RPS. CHRISTOPHER

Location
County    ROSCOMMON
Barony    FRENCHPARK
Union    SWINEFORD
Parish    TIBOHINE
Townland    CURRAGHSALLAGH
Place Name    CURRAGHSALLAGH
Place Type    TOWNLAND

Publication Details
Position on Page    17
Printing Date    1856
Act    15&16
Sheet Number    13
Map Reference    23;24

So my question is; When I look at the map is he in space 17 or 23 & 24?

The site I am using for this information is
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=43&Submit.y=5&Submit=Submit&familyname=morrisroe&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=ROSCOMMON&unionname=&parishname=

Thanks Again!
S

[shanew147]

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So my question is; When I look at the map is he in space 17 or 23 & 24?
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Not exactly - his property is part of plot 23/24... If you look at the actual Griffith's page, 17 lines down you will see the details for James. The column to the left of James's name reads 'h' and this is grouped using the brackets as being part of 23/24. So I'd say the full reference for James is 23/24 h

Due to the fact that the land for everyone under 23/24 (i.e. sub-plots a through i) is grouped under a single area and valuation figure, that the land is not sub-divided on the map. I've seen similar details on other records where cottages and small area are not indicated on the valuation or map.

I'll have a closer look at the map and get back to you...


Shane

[shanew147]

(details deleted... was looking at the incorrect townland... will have another look...)

I'm not sure that the property boundaries on the linked map agree with the Griffith's details. The valuation page includes properties numbered 1 to 35 with sub-division (a, b, c, etc), whereas the map shows divisions numbered 1 to 73.

The sum of all the property areas on the valuation (1099 acres) agrees with the caption on the map and on the townland database, but the sizes of the individual property sizes dont seem to match this. e.g. properties 22,23 and 24 are about the same size and yet they are indicated as 32, 103 and 12 acres on the valuation..

not sure if I'm missing something here...but will look a bit further..



Shane

[Seamiuse]

I think you may be off a line Shane. It appears t'me (only when I use the giant magnifying glass lol) that the 32 you mention is for the fella above.
it looks to me by the grouping used on the side of the page that andrew, owen and Rep Gilbert all were noted for 103 acres and James further down at the luke cox property. This might explain your math.

but still, is there a reason that the letters aren't showing? Doesn't seem like the buildings description matches either. hmmmm those darn allusive Morrisroe's  LOLOL

also... referring to Gilbert, what is the designation "Reps"?

[shanew147]

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also... referring to Gilbert, what is the designation "Reps"?
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Reps usually means 'Representatives of' - i.e. the person mentioned is deceased and his representatives or potential beneficiaries are listed as temp. owners.


Shane


Shane

[sydpinman]

Hi Shane
Very interesting.
My ancestors came from Gortmellia. My search ends at my GGrandparents James and Catherine Meenaghan, no records of their births (1850's) or marriage in 1852.
In a desperate search to find my GGGrandfather I'm checking on all the James Meenaghan's who are possibilities.
I've found a James Menaghan (misspelling) on the Griffith's Valuation and was wondering if there was any way of linking his lands to the addresses of the Meeneghan's (another misspelling) on the
1901 Irish Census.
I know it's a long shot but I'm looking forward to your reply.
Cheers
Phil Meenaghan