Marshall marriage in Broxburn

[mr-aitch]

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Death of Daniel MARSHALL (Uphall 1891 Dist. no. 672 entry no. 48)
Date & Place: 21Apr1940 - 43 Cardross Road, Broxburn
Age: 77yrs
Occup: boiler fireman
Status: married
Spouse: Mary McVICKAR (sic)
Father: George MARSHALL, coal miner, deceased
Mother: Isabella MARSHALL, m.s. McKILLOP, deceased
Informant: Mary MARSHALL. 'X' her mark, widow, present

Death of Mary McVICKERS (sic) (Linlithgow Dist. no. 668 entry no. 75)
Date & Place: 8Dec1952 - St. Michael's Hospital, Linlithgow
Age: 83yrs
Usual address: 41 Cardross Road, Broxburn
Status: widowed
Spouse #1: Richard DICKSON, shale miner
Spouse #2: Daniel MARSHALL, oilworks labourer
Father: Henry McVICKERS, farm labourer, deceased
Mother: Margaret McVICKERS, afterwards NEILL, m.s. DAVIDSON, deceased
Informant: Sarah WATSON, step-sister, 67 East Main Street, Uphall

So, after Henry died Margaret re-married a man called NEILL.
Remember Patrick NEIL in the 1901 census?

Death of Sarah NEILL (Uphall Dist. no. 672 entry no. 24)
Date & Place: 14Jan1955 - 67 cardross Road, Uphall
Age: 77yrs
Status: married
Spouse: John WATSON, shale miner retired
Father: James NEILL, general labourer, deceased
Mother: Margaret NEILL, previously McVICKERS, m.s. DAVIDSON
Informant: John WATSON, widower, present

I'll leave you to think about that.

Next port of call was the Cemetery records.  (Broxburn does not have a cemetery; there are two in Uphall - Uphall Cemetery and Loaninghill Cemetery which is the modern one.)  I went looking for interments for Richard, Daniel and Mary:
(interment dates)
Uphall Cemetery Lair A25 - lair owner Richard DICKSON
8Apr1897 - Thomas DICKSON, aged 5yrs
18Apr1897 - Robert DAVIDSON, aged 21yrs
20Jun1898 - Richard DICKSON, aged 26yrs
19Jan1905 - Richard DICKSON, stepson of Daniel MARSHALL, aged 5yrs
3Jul1917 - still born child of Elizabeth DICKSON

Uphall Cemetery Lair A39 - lair owner Daniel MARSHALL (early dates recorded relationship to lair owner)
22Feb1900 - Isabella MARSHALL, mother, aged 72yrs
25Jan1902 - Maggie MARSHALL, daughter, aged 1yr
2Feb1909 - Margaret Jane MARSHALL, daughter, aged 1 month
24Sep1929 - Henry DICKSON, n/r, aged 33yrs
23Apr1940 - Daneil MARSHALL, no age recorded
11Dec1952 - Mary McVICKERS or DICKSON or MARSHALL, aged 83yrs

So Mary McVICAR is buried in lair A39 in Uphall Cemetery.  See Uphall Cemetery?  Visit

http://maps.live.com/

Check top-left that you're in the UK page, if not click on the page you're on and select UK.  Enter EH52 6DH in the location box and hit the search button.  use your scroll wheel to zoom in on the marker until you can see the Wyndford Avenue/Freeland Terrace junction.  Close the side navigation panel and change to the Aerial view - Uphall Cemetery.

I'd better explain my reference to Annie MORROW.  I did some research for a friend on MORROW and found the marriage of Alexander MORROW to Annie MARSHALL in 1888 at Haligate.  Annie was thedaughter of - you've guessed - George MARSHALL and Isabella McKILLOP, born abt 1866 in Ireland.  My research established that the Morrows and Marshalls came from an area north of Ballymena.  If you draw a triangle from Cushendall (on the Antrim coast) east to Ballymoney and south to Ballymena that's the area I'm talking about.

... seems it's going to be 3 pages

[mr-aitch]

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Back to what we know.

Monica offered the IGI entry for the birth of Elizabeth McVICKER in 1866 albeit with mother's name DAWSON rather than the expected DAVIDSON.  That has a batch number of C701297 which is definitely an extraction from the BMD Indexes for 1866 and, as I said, many of these are badly stained - probably from water damage - and very difficult to read. I can readily see DAWSON being mistaken for DAVIDSON.

I can see an IGI entry for the birth of Richard DICKSON - 7Aug1871 in Antrim. Parents - Thomas DICKSON and Margaret McVICKAR.  Again this has a batch number I can't identify.

In the LDS civil registration indexes which Monica mentioned there is a marriage for George MARSHALL and Isabella McKILLOP - 1847 Ballymena volume 2 page 111.  That implies a Protestant marriage because RC marriages weren't registered until 1864 and that fits with what we know.

The LDS extraction C701267 records a birth for Margaret MARSHALL 20Oct1865 in Clogh, (Dunaghy, Ballymoney Parish) to George and Isabella.  We're back to my "Bermuda" triangle.

How about this one?  Again from the BMD indexes:

District of Ballymena: death in 1869 of Henry McVICKAR aged 29yrs  (volume 1 page 106)  - see 1851 Antrim census

Griffith's Valuation (1853-1865) has interesting entries:

George MARSHALL, tenant in Culnafey, Ballyscullion Grange
Thomas DICKSON, tenant in Drumanduff, Ballinderry
Archy McKILLOP, tenant in Dunaghy, Ballymoney
Daniel McKILLOP, tenant in Ballymoney, Ballymoney
and a number of McKILLOPs in Loughguile, Loughguile - John, Alexander, Patrick, Eneas, Denis, John, Hugh and Daniel

All of these are, of course, in my triangle.

Nearly forgot - clue from the Cemetery records:

Death of Isabella McKILLOP (Uphall Dist. no. 672 entry no. 38)
Date & Place: 20Feb1900 -30 Haligate
Age: 52yrs (sic - but see cemetery record)
Status: widow
Spouse: George MARSHALL, miner
Father: John McKILLOP, labourer, deceased
Mother: Sarah McKILLOP, m.s GLASGOW, deceased
Informant: D. MARSHALL, son, present

A search to check if they were in Scotland earlier produced nothing in 1891 but this in 1881:

1881 census
Bothwell  Dist. no. 625/1 book 7 page 16
4 Chapel Sq.
Isabella MARSHALL, head, wid, 57, b. Ireland
George MARSHALL, son, unm, 20, fireman, b. Holytown LKS
John MARSHALL, son, unm, 18, labourer, b. Holytown LKS
Daniel MARSHALL, son, unm, 16, b. Holytown LKS
Ann MARSHALL, daur, unm, 13, servant, b. Holytown LKS
John KNOULES, boarder, unm, 19, boilerman, b. Ireland

Intriguing!  Looks like our family but the birthplaces for the children are wrong!  However, the John MARSHALL turns up in Uphall, having been born in Ireland, in 1891 living with a MARKS family and then in 1901 he's living in Bathgate with a McKILLOP (born in Ireland) family!

Enough from me!  I'm told that my biggest failing is I'm intoxicated with the exuberance of my own verbosity!

mcvicars, you should have a look at the website of West Lothian Family History Society where they offer to assist, where they can, anyone visiting West Lothian for Homecoming 2009

www.wlfhs.org.uk

Hope all this helps.

mr-aitch

[MonicaL]

HOPE THIS HELPS>>>WOW and some 

That's impressive mr-aitch 

Monica

[mr-aitch]

Thanks for the kind words, Monica - glad to be able to help.

mr-aitch

[mcvicars]

My goodness mr-aitch, that goes way beyond helpful - that is brilliant!!! Sure beats my searching - hands down. I'm new to this, but have become totally hooked! My mother died last year and I came to the realisation that unless I captured some of the family stories from her elderly sister, then it would be hard to trace back; so that's where I started so that i knew I had the right places & people to begin.

You certainly weren't too verbose, I am just humbled by the generosity of your time! I have already been on the West Lothian site but only today my son has confirmed the dates we will be staying in Edinburgh: Sun12- Wed 15th; so i shall certainly set up a visit and would love to hear what options there might be. Indeed it is the key purpose of my visit to the area. I think at the very least i owe mr-aitch a drink!!
many many thanks,
mcvicars

[sicknote]

Hi, hope you do not mind me jumping in here I also have a interest in the Marshall and Morrow Family.  I have been Researching the Morrow family and Alexander Morrow Who Married Your Annie Marshall was the Brother of My Great Grandfather Robert Morrow. Alexander Morrow and Annie Marshall married on the 13 Jan 1888 in Broxburn.Alexander died on the 13 Sept 1918 at 116 Holigate,Broxburn and Annie died on the 4 May 1928 at 114 Holigate,Broxburn,they are buried in the Uphall Cemetery Section C Lair 322.  The witnesses on there marriage were Daniel Marshall and Robert Borrowman.

  There Children were
Isabella b 21 0ct 1888 Broxburn
Matthew b 11 june 1890 Broxburn
Alexander b 22 Sept 1898 Broxburn
Agnes b 24 March 1892 Broxburn
Annie b 26 nov 1893 Broxburn
George b 15 oct 1895 Broxburn d31 March 1897
Sarah b 13 may 1897 Broxburn d 20 Aug 20 Aug 1897
George b 13 Jan 1900  Broxburn d 24 Jan 1900
Margaret b 25 MAy 1901 Broxburn d 1 Oct 1901.

  Hope this helps.
  Sicknote

[mcvicars]

Thankyou, Annie Morrow (nee Marshall) would thus be my great aunt, ie my great grandfather, Daniel Marshall's sister. Filling in some gaps on the cemetery records where mr-aitch says there are no records of marriages/deaths for the 3 Marshall daughters of Daniel and Mary - Annie (my grandmother, b 1906) and her sister Isabella came out via ship to Australia in their late teens, approx 1923-25; Matilda, their younger sister, followed them a few years later. All married and died  in Australia. I have yet to track down the exact ship they came out on, would their be passenger departure records over there?

[MonicaL]

I don't have a subscription to this site, but it has migration shipping manifests www.findmypast.com/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action?redef=0

Monica

[mcvicars]

Reply - thanks for the tip Monica, as ever, such a helpful bunch!!
I now have both Annie and Isabella's ship records from the "Otranto" 1927. It shows that there were 2 males travelling with them in their party: Mr D. Marshall, 34yrs from Manchester and more curiously a Mr R.C.G. Marshall, 56 yrs from Hampstead who was listed to debark at Colombo and had as his intended future permanent residence India. There was a woman called Mrs E.G. Hughes 50yrs, a clerk, also listed as living at his same address and also intending to reside in India...I wonder who they were...noone in the family has ever heard of other people in their party....