Anyone researching the Botes family

[Danchaslyn]

 

Hello Lorand

As you know the rough death date of your Ouma, Susara Maria Botes, i.e. +/- June-July, 1964, probably at, or near Bloemfontein, I would suggest that you email the Archivist, in the VAB or RSA site of NAAIRS, and request a copy of her Death Notice.

I've had another look myself in both the VAB and RSA sections of NAAIRS to see if her Death Notice reference would be there, but couldn't find it, but an email direct, should, hopefully, produce the results you are looking for.

Cheers

Danchaslyn

 

[Danchaslyn]

Hello Lorand

As you know, traditionally, in Afrikaans speaking families, the eldest son is named after his father, or his grandfather.

From IGI there are several Jan Jakobus Botes, and variations.

Interestingly, some are from Brandfort, Orange Free State.  Makes me think they could be possible branches on your tree?

i.e. Jan Jakobus Botes, b. 1851 Brandfort, OFS, m. 19 April, 1892, d. 16 Feb, 1926.

And, Jan Jakobus Botes, b.1873, Bloemfontein, d. 1899 Brandfort, OFS.

Jan Jonathan Botes, b.1878, m. 20 Feb, 1905 Anna Marria du Plessis, Zastron, OFS.

Cheers

Danchaslyn

 

[Lorand]

Hi,

My dad was the youngest of about 11 children, so not sure who he would have been named after, but I will check the IGI again with the Botes family.
Thanks for all the leads you have put in.

Lorraine

[Danchaslyn]

Hello Lorand

Well that's a clue in itself, as your Dad had  THREE Christian names, so as he had Johannes Jacobus, and then Christopher, that would fit in with him being towards the end of the family, and having a third Christian name to distinguish himself from the possibly previously named elder brother, or brothers.

Good, good luck with tracing your parents' marriage details!

Cheers

Danchaslyn

 

[TertiusB]

Danchaslyn

There is alot of the same names in the family downline, when they had many children they named them after their brothers and uncles as well.

Jan Jakobus Botes b 1851 Brandfort OFS had 12 children of which Jan Jakobus b 1873 Bloemfontein was one of his sons. He had another son with the names Jan Jakobus Hendricus Saaiman Botes. Here he gave his wife's fathers firstname and surname as additional names.

We must just keep on digging, and we will find Lorraine's line. I will go and look in the archives when I go to Pretoria again.

Tertius

[Danchaslyn]

 

Hello TertiusB

That is so cool that you already know of two of the JJ Botes, and that they are a father and a son!   

Are they in your Tree then?   

Thank goodness you can get into the Pretoria Archives and search there.  What a treasure trove there must be there!   

It's so frustrating that Lorand's Family Bible didn't show her Ouma's maiden name!!   

Any chance you, or someone you know, may be able to check her parents' marriage record, the wedding having taken place in Mayfair, JHB?   

Cheers

Danchaslyn

 

[TertiusB]

Danchaslyn

Yes they are both in my tree, There is a total of 12 Jan Jacobus Botes in my tree, and I am busy to get some info from another Chris Botes regarding his side of the family, Just maybe we can get the link.

I can find out regarding her parents marriage record, but need both their full names and marriage date.

Tertius

[Lorand]

Hi TertiusB and Danchaslyn,

Thanks to both of you for all the effort you have put into this.  Just to recap....
My parents marriage was on 20 October 1945 at the Mayfair Presbyterian Church, JHB.

My mom ..... Janet Gilmour MCCALL b 3 May 1922 in Fife Scotland
MY dad ........Johannes Jacobus Christoffel BOTES b 22 Nov 1921 in Kimberely

I have just got info on a  Jacomia Maria BECKLEY married to Johannes Saaiman BECKLEY lived in Free State in 1960s.  This could be my dad's sister, nicknamed Miems.  My dad's names could be in a different order as well.  He was always only ever known as Chris.
Regards ... Lorraine

[Danchaslyn]

 

Hello TertiusB and Lorand

Tertius that is great that you may be able to get the details of Lorand's parents' marriage.  What a step forward that will be!   

And, Lorand, congratulations on finding "Miems"!   

Aaaaah  no, let's hope that your Dad, Chris' names aren't reversed, or transposed, or whatever, then the permutations could be endless!   

Lorand, I also have a dear friend in Fife, which town/village were your Mom's family from, please?

Cheers

Danchaslyn