looking for info on Joseph Eligah Seeley born

[susanmj]

my sister told me that when he died it said age 74 on his stone but our dad told her he was really 72 but this could be a lie as it seems so many was told us
she did however say that Joseph eilgah seeley is my granddads name she is 100% sure of that
this is more info my dads siblings john seeley James seeley Kathleen seeley and Charles seeley now charles seeley had a twin broth called eilgah seeley who died at 6 months old ? these have all passed away now so yet again limted info we think they was all born in Ireland or maybe N Ireland for some of them ?
they seemed to have roamed quite a bit ?

[susanmj]

sorry after talking to my sister we have no other info on my granddad
thanks for your help jac and the restxxxx

[susanmj]

hi guys just wounderd if anymore info has been found we have now got nothing other than what you have found and you do have the right man joseph eligah seeley is deffo my grandad oh what a long process this is but anything would be really really usefull or can anyone give me any tips on how to search more ? i would be very very greatful
and thank you to all that has helped so far
you really dont know what it means to my family
THANK YOU 

[valeriec]

I just read through all the above and the information is quite confusing. See is you can positively answer any of these questions and then look for bmd certificates.
Do you have his military records for WWI? They are available through Collections Canada for a fee. You may get a lot more information from the file than from just the attestation papers. If he was born in Canada as it suggests through the attestation papers, you should be able to find a birth certifcate for him.
Do you have his marriage certificate and do you have the knowledge of where the marriage took place?
Do you have his death certificate? You may get valuable information from any certificate.
He appears to have lived in Canada, Britain and Ireland. Do you know where his children were born and do you have any of their birth certificates.
Do you know if your grandfather had any brothers or sisters as well as half brothers or sisters and any of their names?
Do you know what his occupation was? Depending on his occupation, where he lived etc., he could have been out working at age 12 which means he could be on a census with another family.
It was not unusual for mistakes to be made on any documents especially age. Many people did not read or write well and their were sometimes language barriers as well. I would start with your own father's birth certificate and work backwards from there to try and find as many bmd certificates as possible and a time line from there. Good luck.

[susanmj]

i am really sorry i know it is all confusing this is why it is very hard finding anything out am affraid my farther never told us anthing as for getting deaths certs or marriage certs and such this is a no no he will  take them to his grave  its hard as we have nothing at all to do with my farther this was his wish to never have any of his six children contact him ever again and all i can say is most of the info has come from my older brother and sister
sorry i carnt help
this is why it has been so difficult for us

[valeriec]

I think you may have more information to work from than you think.
Write down everything that you know about each individual you are trying to find, no matter how small or insignificant you think the information is. What you have been telling us is very confusing, don't know if your father is alive or not. You do not need his permission to get certificates on your grandfather.
For your grandfather, you can access his military records at www.collectionscanada.ca
go to library and archives Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, under search - enter name, under results - access Joseph E. Seeley, under Item Display - How to consult a file on site or order a copy of the file. You can order this file through a secure site on line. If you have problems accessing this through collections Canada, google Soldiers of the first world war.
The description on the file describes the same features that you stated above so order the file and see what is in it.
You know that he married Kathleen McDonnell but where, was it in Liverpool, England. If so, you should be able to find the marriage certificate and order it. You also know that he died in 1972 and there is a headstone. Where is he buried. That should lead you to the avenue to order his death certificate. Most countries allow family members to order the certificates.
You have the names of your father's siblings. Follow up on those. Do you know where they lived and also where they died. If you have this information, you may be able to access information.

[susanmj]

hi sorry it is all confusing to us too we have so little to go on and the fact that some of it could be lies dosnt help
we was told nothing about our grandperents like i said my older brother and sister told us what they knew
i will go have a good luck round maybe try with my farthers siblings although i dont know were they died
THANK YOU FOR THE ADVICE

[J.J.]

If he was adopted, or not yet listed home child, he may have just simply written his home town as his birth place.... Spelled "Joseph Eligha Seeley"   now on a return passenger's list...so he may be returning from the war, or is this his initial entry to Canada...either way, could someone check to see what this entry says for age, place of birth, etc.?

[Jacquie in Canada]

If he was adopted, or not yet listed home child, he may have just simply written his home town as his birth place.... Spelled "Joseph Eligha Seeley"   now on a return passenger's list...so he may be returning from the war, or is this his initial entry to Canada...either way, could someone check to see what this entry says for age, place of birth, etc.?

On the passenger list you refer to he was listed with returning troops. There are no details as to age, place of birth, etc. It does say that his residence was Dill Siding, Ontario and his next of kin was his mother (no names are listed).

Jacquie