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Re: French whaling ship - crew lists?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 22 April 22 12:39 BST (UK) »
Finally I found 2 sailors who deserted in Coffin Bay ( it is said New Zeland, but I think it is Australia not far from Port Lincoln) , one is called Jacques Augustin VEIRON  (who went back to France and married at least twice) and the other one Joseph Augustin MANET.


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Re: French whaling ship - crew lists?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 23 April 22 03:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks all. Someone did some research back in 2018 and discovered the following:

"Official Records in France have now confirmed that Mathurin initially left Le Havre as a 16 year-old mossy, then novice on the 'Carolina' and the 'Asia' between 1834 and 1836, and returned from some long journeys.

However, French Maritime Disarmament Records written by a ship's Master (likely to be Pierre Darmandariz - 'Asia' - Depart Le Havre 8 August 1835 Return 16 April 1837) prove that 'Charles' wisely ended one such dangerous journey in New Zealand on 14 March, 1836, whilst working aboard the 'Asia' at an extremely volatile place for many reasons - 'The Bay of Islands.' The Disarmament notes written by Master of this ship show:- Quote: "Charles Leon Laine deserted on March 14, 1836 in the Bay, having the permission to go for a walk." In addition he wrote: Quote: "MARTIN Felix Edouard aboard with LAINE Charles Leon, followed him, profiting from the occasion." Charles Leon LAINE was definitively "crossed off" French Maritime records on 10 August, 1847. Mathurin was only 18.1 years of age at the time of leaving this ship. Interestingly, his step-uncle, Martin Casper, was Master of a ship from Le Havre with a destination of Bay of Islands - New Zealand from 1839-1840. He also mastered the same ship from Le Havre to South Australia and Oahu from 1844-1847."
Ireland- Harpur, Copeland, Longridge, Hayes
Devon- Underdown, Pennington, Cox, Bishop, Harding
Cornwall- Teague, Rowe, Long, Bray, Trounson, James, Bosanko, Jewell, Pollard, Rundle, Mutton, Hand, Floyd, Rodda
Suffolk- Mills, Bird
Essex- Mills, Kent, Ruffell
Glamorgan, Wales- Morgan, David, Jones, Thomas, Watkins, Morris

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Re: French whaling ship - crew lists?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 23 April 22 08:43 BST (UK) »
Well, sailors often deserted (and could be taken back on board by force) or left the ship and closed their account with captain assent . Then they could get hired on another ship.
Your Mathurin Charles could have embarked on the Mississippi,but the crew's role does not have his name ( see here
https://www.archivesdepartementales76.net/ark:/50278/5b5edfa9347f481ea2b1bed3c635e7fa/dao/0/1/idsearch:RECH_4050069dd38a3404b85154ebbe3e08d0?id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.archivesdepartementales76.net%2Fark%3A%2F50278%2F5b5edfa9347f481ea2b1bed3c635e7fa%2Fcanvas%2F0%2F1324&vx=3089.57&vy=-2295.35&vr=-1.5708&vz=3.82588)

page 1328 gives the list of all the persons who once were on the ship Le Mississippi during this fishing campaign . There is no mention of your Mathurin Charles LAINE.

Note that there were 2 captains : Rossiter and Piquet.

Mathurin Charles could also have embarked on an english ship.

Added : I've read the story on Familypedia

On geneanet there are 2 trees , maybe one of them is yours.

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Re: French whaling ship - crew lists?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 23 April 22 09:56 BST (UK) »
Now here is what I have found : Asia 's crew's roll

https://www.archivesdepartementales76.net/ark:/50278/df37052a17275f2feb7d4126338cc85f/dao/0/1/idsearch:RECH_66fabdc1d06e9a5638e7e7f14ee1b0ad?id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.archivesdepartementales76.net%2Fark%3A%2F50278%2Fdf37052a17275f2feb7d4126338cc85f%2Fcanvas%2F0%2F223&vx=986.084&vy=-1150.22&vr=0&vz=6.54856

page 223
The captain was Jean Pierre Lemasson
The ship left Le Havre 10 july 1834 , came back 5 july 1835

page 235 number 31 you have Lainé, on the account page

page 236 you have Lainé on the role , illegitimate son of Berenice Melanie Lainé .
You have a physical description : 1,59 meter hign, oval face , large forehead, brown eyes, short nose, average, mouth , round chin, brown hair and eyebrows;

Strangely enough page 1082 same crew's role.

his signature page 236






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