Mary Ann COOKE of Moreton Eye Herefordshire UK

[sue21757]

Hi Sue

Sorry should have said she could not have been Mary Ann's daughter if Mary Ann was born 1881.

Cheers Sue

[sparrett]

Hi Sue,

Ahh..., no indeed!

A lot of evidence is definitely pointing to a revised birthdate for Mary Ann

Sue

[jimbach]

Thank you all. I had made an error.Mary Ann Cooke wasborn in1868. She was daughter of WilliamCooke and his wife Phoebe (nee Jones) They had 6 daughters and at least 3 sons.Mary Ann herself had 4 daughters  ...Clara m.Millen, Gertrude m.Murley,  Nellie m.Godfrey Phoebe m.Nelson.    jimbach

[skylark]

There were 5 births in Leominster Herefordshire England (Morton Eye is in this district) for Mary Ann Cooke - June qtr 1855 - 6a 489
          -  Dec. qtr 1860 - 6a 454
          -  Sep.Qtr 1861 - 6a 51
          -  Mar qtr 1869 - 6a 563
          - Mar qtr 1884 - 6a 536

I think it has been established that 1884 is not her birth date so -

1851 - Thomas Cook 29 farm lab. b.Middleton on the Hill Herefordshire
Mary Cook 32 b. Aymestry Herefordshire
Sarah cook 4 b.Eye Herefordshire
William Cook 1 b.
WILLIAM COOK brother 27 farm lab. b. Middleton on the Hill Herefordshire

NEXT DOOR

1851 - William Tipton 56 ag.lab. b.Kingsbolton Herefordshire
Margaret Tipton 63 Bethant  Radnoreshire Wales
Phebe Jones gr.daughter 16 b. Ashford Shropshire
William Jones gr.son 1m b.Ludlow Shropshire
Ann Williams 12 sevant b.Eye Herefordshire

living in Eye Herefordshire

WILLIAM COOK married PHOEBE JONES Jun qtr 1851 Leominster Herefordshire 26 349.

1861 census William Cooke 38 Ag lab b.Middleton
Phoebe 28 b. Ashford Herefodshire
William Jones son 10 b.Ludlow Salop(Shropshire)
Thomas Cooke 8 b.Eye
Joseph Cooke 6 b. Eye
Susan 3 b.Eye
MARY A Cooke 5m b.Eye

Living in Morton Eye.



1871 census - William Cooke H 46 ag.lab b.Middleton on the Hill Herefordshire
Phoebe Cooke 36 b.Huntington Herefordshire (died 1895)
MARY ANN COOKE 11 b.Eye Herefordshire
Sarah Cooke 7 b.           "
Fanny Cooke 4 b.           "

Living in Moreton Eye Herefordshire


1881 - William Cooke 55 lab. b.Middleton on the Hill (Died 1897)
Phoebe 49 b. Ashford Salop
Fanny 14 b.Eye
Caroline 11 b.Eye
Arthur 7 b. Eye
GERTRUDE 5 b. Eye.

Living in Morton Eye Herefordshire.

1891 census-
Gertrude Cook  - 16 gen.dom.serv. b.Morton Herefordshire for
Otto Friedlander , product merchant b.Denmark and living in SALE Cheshire with his family.

1891 census-
William Cook 68 farm lab. b. Middleton on the Hill
Phoebe 57 b.Ashford Carboull? Shropshire
Fanny 25 Domestic b.Eye
Arthur 18 shoemaker b. Eye
Annie - gr.daughter 4 b.SALE Cheshire (d.of Thomas)
Albert - gr.son 4  b. Luston Herefordshire (son of Joseph)

living in Eye

Joseph also had a daughter Gertrude b. 1889 Eye.
Thomas livedc in SALE Cheshire 1901.

Do these tie in?

Jean

[jimbach]

Dear Jean, many thanks.  It did tie in.  I based Mary Ann's age on the 1881 census.  William Jones the son was born before his parents married.  Gertrude Sarah and Thomas all went to Sale Cheshire.  Sarah was my Grandmother. Gertrude moved to Penmaenmawr an Thomas was a shoemaker in Sale. I typed in much more but lost it.  sorry to be so brief.  There are still questions about Mary Ann in  Austrailia.
Regards Jim.

[cando]

According to the 1861 census Mary Ann was 5 months so
this would most likely be her birth reg  Dec. qtr 1860 - 6a 454

HOFFMANN Mary Ann     
93 years      16 Sep 1963       Nedlands

This burial record may not be Mary Ann as the age is 10 years out.

Perhaps the purchase of the death certificate may help
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/A/application_forms.aspx?uid=9700-1192-2181-1982

Information on Australian certificates
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html

Robert Edwin Frank HOFFMANN - Journalist  from KRIS electoral findings, is also buried at Karrakatta.

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

This death certificate may be helpful as well

HOFFMAN Thomas Hulbert  50 years
Father William Mother Unknown born Manchester England  1904   Reg#1923

The purchase of the funeral application forms for the above may also help identify them
http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/FAF.html

or a photo of the plaques or headstones
http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/photoServ.html

Cando

[jimbach]

Hello Cando  Ive been re-reading some old letters fromGertrude andTom  Murley at 2 B enporath St. Victoria Park .Mary Ann(my great auntPollie) was already dead by Dec 1955. Her  daughter was never sure of her true age! I'm not sure whether she was  still hoffman or Seymour.Thank you and kind regards  ...Jim

[cando]

Jim I think certificates will only give you the information you need....perhaps the one of Mary Ann SEYMOUR who died in 1950 aged 88 years....or her marriage cert [if you think it is her] in in 1926.  Obviously it can't be the Mary Ann who died in 1963 if your information is that she was dead by Dec 1955.

Australian Death Certificates have a lot of information, if known to the informant.

http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html

Thomas's death cert would give you where they were married and their chn.

Cheers
Cando