Cap Badge

[O1dgobbo]

Hi Misty

On the record that I know best the SWB award is written on the bottom left hand line of the card with its SWB list reference.  The entry "Victory   Roll T P1/101 B4 Page 346" is the reference to the entry on the medal rolls.

I just looked at the two cards.  They show that both soldiers were awarded the Victory and British medals.  Since neither has a 1915 Star I guess that they were not involved in fighting in 1915 or earlier.  There is no record of the award of the SWB but No 6547 was at some stage transferred to the Labour Corps, which was set up early in 1917.  Although its main duty was to provide front line labour services, in 1917 it was also acting as a holding unit for soldiers who were unfit for active service with their original or equivalent units.  So No 6547 mat be in the Labour Corps because he was a fit labourer but I think that he is probably there because he has become an unfit infantryman.

Do you have a home address for Arthur during the 1914-18 period?  Forgive me if you have already posted that and I have missed it.  The home address is a help when looking at the remaining fragments of the army service records.

All the best

Gobbo

[Mistyrose41]

Hi Gobbo,
                   When my father was born in 1915 they were living at 20, Kings Road, Long Ditton, Surrey. On the 1911 census return it records the address as 65, Kings Road, Long Ditton, Surbiton, Surrey.
regards, Mistyrose

[Mistyrose41]

It has just been suggested to me that my Grandpa's Cap Badge could be the "Kings Royal Rifle Corps'
Q. Could a Surrey Reservist be allocated to that Corps?
The Badge looks similar.

Mistyrose

[scrimnet]

Unfortunately, there are about x15 Rifle Regts cap badges that all look almost the same (Maltese Cross)!! i/c KRRC

I have plumped for the most likely given his background stories, and  the look of the badge (large centre) 

[O1dgobbo]

Hi

I bought Gaylor following Scrimnet's recommendation (and not from the lady warrior, who wanted about twice the Pen & Sword price - good on yer Scrimnet).  The Gaylor illustration of the East Surrey badge (Plate 21A of my 8th edition) shows a Maltese cross with no crown above.  There is a pale area in the photograph just above the cross that just might be a crown but I am not at all sure.  I am certain that the centre of Arthur's badge is a solid blob and was quite convinced it was East Surrey when I read the bit on the museum site "Examples with voided and solid centres are recorded."  And we do know that 6th E Surrey went to India even if Arthur did not travel with the main body.

All the best

Gobbo

[scrimnet]

Nice to think I still have some uses!!!

I didnt think it was a crown either...

[Mistyrose41]

Hello Scrimnet,
                           I have been looking through the NA online catalogue for the Silver War Badge indexes as I feel that this is possibly the only way I am going to get my Gramp's WW1 records. You say that you think that his cap badge identifies him as being in the 6th Battalion East Surreys TF unit.  I have located
the following references at the NA: WO329/3158 - Silver War Badge: other ranks. WO329/3160 through to WO 329/3177 Territorial Force [London]. Do you think that these are the right references for this Battalion?
                    regards,     Mistyrose

[scrimnet]

Yes, I think they probably are!!

[O1dgobbo]

Hi

I was looking at the NA catalogue last night trying to understand the records without much success.  However, I did notice that the Indian Army medal record cards are in a separate series to the UK army medal cards.  I think this means that they are not on A******y and would be missed by someone who only had access to that site.  What I could not tell is whether the 6th East Surreys having been posted to India would count as Indian Army.  If so Arthur's medal card might be in that set, which I think can be searched on line at the NA.

All the best

Gobbo