Ferguson/Nairn in Stewarton,Ayr

[MonicaL]

  It's OK Ian. We just sometimes need to take care to observe copyright.

What is not OK thought is that I think James Ferguson may also have died pre 1855  Will be hard to confirm his details also. I can't see a death for him between 1855-61 and can't see him from that entry in 1851.

There is another couple showing in the early censuses in Stewarton called James Ferguson and wife Elizabeth, but not your couple.

Frustrating eh 

[thesludge]

I should have known better ref copyright as i am an IT consultant..........

However yes i have stumbled on the same thing as you. I can see Cuthbert in 1851 but not 1861. I have managed to find a death for Elisabeth dated 22/03/1855 but i cannot read what it says at all.

Assuming i can post the number of the document it is 197/00 0030 0398 FYVIE if that is of any use, and of course if you need any top ups, i can provide.

[MonicaL]

  Great if you have found a death for Elizabeth in 1855! The first year of official registration in Scotland and entries ran over two pages of the register for one year only.

The entry should include details on all her childen (alive/deceased) and more importantly...parents' names!

If the entry is impossible to read, you can contact SP and ask for an enhanced scan of the image. Can make a big difference. SP are very quick to respond to this type of request. See www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=1210

[thesludge]

Sorry, missed your last post. As mentioned, death/burial registers before the start of official registration from 1855 can be thin on the ground unfortunately. You may not find a burial/death entry for Elizabeth if she died before 1855.

We have her and husband James in 1841. Have you tried to find her and family in 1851? We know Cuthbert, son, had married by 1843.

Monica

Between 1841 and 1855 there are 8 deaths registered in that name.

[MonicaL]

Her death must have taken place from the time of the birth of daugher Elizabeth c.1842 and the 1851 census where husband James already showed as widowed.

Monica

[thesludge]

if that thats the case then that reduces it to 6......in the following areas

Fife 1843
Angus 1843
Edinburgh 1846
Edinburgh 1847
Lanark 1848
Renfrew 1850

[MonicaL]

None in Ayrshire (in particular Stewarton) which is the problem 

[thesludge]

agreed. Well last night i contacted the lady who created the pedigree fronm your excellent rootschat link. She gave me the following information

Hello Ian,
Thanks for your enquiry , just a bit of background on my tree data....
 
I did considerable research on my ancestors, ..Nairn.
Discovered Cuthbert Nairn [C1625] is ancestral name originating from Stewarton, Ayrshire. I believe all from Stewarton are linked to this common ancestor, with the name Cuthbert following as naming pattern in this area alone.
For my folly spent numerous hours researching old OPR films as reels... now available on the internet.. I have sumitted two other family trees relating to Nairn lineages on Rootsweb.com. and Ancestry .com [has the same...]
The "spares" data is exactly that .. I have been unable to conclusively  confirm direct ancestor line. Not sure if you have already but , most entries there have notes you may read... census, death, birth info...
 
Though from memory i seem to recall the Ferguson line somewhere had changed religion away from Presbytery think to Catholic. You may find entries now on Scotlands people site as I believe these are now available.
 
I started my genealogy journey as a quick foray into my ancestors... now 7 years later am still continuing. The Nairn line of Stewarton alone took constant research for 3 years.
 
The best advice i can give you is always refer to the source of your information.. for future reference, either to discount or confirm..
.
I read your original post on Rootschat, like you i was very fortunate to have had an experienced researcher lead me in the right direction...
 
Back to your particular line, at the present can not add further to the information i have already posted... but can with your permission add your data on subsequent descendants....
Would be interested if you find further info to confirm your Nairn ancestral line.
 
The inability to confirm the earlier lineages is because the OPR[Old Parish Records], for Stewarton are missing ..for us ...the vital years of 1715-1730...
 
Hope this is of help..will have another look at my data as time permits and will certainly contact you if i discover anything new..

She also provided me with this new link.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rustor&id=I2177

  Might go somewhere..........

[thesludge]

Bit of an update...

when i did the research on Nairns i actually read the original reels from the OPR, and worked the family lines out due to obvious dates but also the farm areas that each family appeared  to occupy... the early Nairn surname was written as Nern or Iron..
from my information your Cuthbert Nairn's [spouse of Elisabeth Cuthbertson] birth was as... son of "Joseph Nern , weaver in Muirhead and Jean Steell.
Baptised Nov 26th 1769"
The naming pattern for your Cuthberts  subsequent children followed the usual naming after grand parents then parent etc.
 --then on these childrens death certificate some have given your Cuthberts name as John.So probably much the same as we do now, the family have given a nickname as known to them.
Also when you delve back into history so many mistakes made on documents..the information given is only as good as the informant.... plus earlier names were spelt different from what we would now assume.
 
Marriage between Cuthbert Nairn & Elisabeth Cuthbertson, date of booking was Oct 22nd 1791. this was probably when the banns were read.
Cuthberts parents...
Marriage between Joseph Iron and Jean Steil.
 Dec 3rd 1754.
 
Joseph ,Surname spelt Nern,
1732 Mar 6th
Nern, Joseph a lawfull son to Cuthbert Nern in Hole.and Janet Gardiner, his spouse. Bapd
 
Cuthbert Nern and Janet Gardiner married 9 Mar 1731.