Ferguson/Nairn in Stewarton,Ayr

[thesludge]

With that place of birth for Elizabeth Gillespie, this is the only birth showing in Irvine which would fit:

ELIZABETH GILLESPIE  Birth: 24 APR 1866 Irvine, Ayr
Parents:JOHN GILLESPIE and JANET MILLER

As you can see, mother's maiden name is showing differently to what you have.

the writing on the certificates doesnt help does it tbh. Looks like i deciphered it wrongly

[MonicaL]

Ian

Sometimes happens that either the image is too faint to read well or just bad handwriting  You can contact SP on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/contactus/form.aspx?issue=24 regarding illegible image and they will send you via email an enhanced section for the words you are trying to read. Make sure you make a reference to the GROS image you have viewed and explain on which area you are having a problem with.

I wonder if mother's maiden name for Alexander Graham's mother is also perhaps something different?

Monica 

[thesludge]

Hi Ian

Don't think I made a reference to pictures in the links I gave, just more informantion.

Lastly, Alexander Graham  Assuming he was born in the same age range as Jessie F., this is a possible census entry for his family in 1891 - everyone showing as born in Glasgow except mother:

Andrew Graham 30, cloth lapper
Jessie Graham 28, b. Busby, Lanarkshire
Jessie Graham 10
Jeanie Graham 8
Marion Graham 6
Alexander Graham 4
Elizabeth Graham 1

Address: 18 Norman St, Bridgeton Glasgow

Jessie is a common variant for Janet. I can't easily see a marriage for parents on Scotlands People with the surname that you have for Janet but on Alexander's birth cert should be the date and place of parents' marriage and also let you reconfirm her maiden name. Does the age above match the approx. birth year you have for Alexander from other documents?

Monica

hi monica,

i have alexander graham as born in douglas/kirkaldy. He died quite young aged 38. I have him down as born in 1895 and died in 1933 unless i have misread it at all?

His dad indeed was Andrew Graham but have him down as an estate worker???

My grandmother was an only child, Elizabeth Gillespie Graham.

My grandmother tells me that Jessie Ferguson had the following sisters, but think she may have this wrOng as she is getting a tad forgettful. (COULD BE AUNTS) The people are

ELIZABETH (DIDNT MARRY)
PEGGY (MARGARET) WHO MARRIED ARCHIE MCKINLEY
JOHN WHO MARRIED, NAME UNKNOWN BUT HAD 2 DAUGHTERS NESSIE AND ELIZABETH
MARY WHO MARRIED JAMES BAILLE AND HAD 2 SONS JAMES BAILLE AND ANDREW BAILLE

Not sure if you could kindly point me in orrect path.

Thank you for all of your help so far.

[thesludge]

Ian

Sometimes happens that either the image is too faint to read well or just bad handwriting  You can contact SP on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/contactus/form.aspx?issue=24 regarding illegible image and they will send you via email an enhanced section for the words you are trying to read. Make sure you make a reference to the GROS image you have viewed and explain on which area you are having a problem with.

I wonder if mother's maiden name for Alexander Graham's mother is also perhaps something different?

Monica 

All i can see is that it looks like Janet mckillan, mckillam???

[MonicaL]

I have the completely wrong family for Andrew, born too early the one I posted on. From what you have just shown, he was younger than Jessie Ferguson. Let me have a look at the 1901 census and see if we can see him there.

[thesludge]

thank you.

If it helps jessie miller graham (ne ferguson) was born 1890 and i think she died on valentines day, unsure of year.

alexander grham was born 1895. died 1933 i think it was.

it looks like they married in 1921 on 31st march???

[MonicaL]

Jessie's details are good, we're quite straight with her family. We have that 1891 entry above with her and family.

Alexander is proving difficult. Can't see him at all in 1901 with the parents' details that we have. The closest I can find has a different mother and and his birth year is later. Ticks a couple of boxes but not enough 

Andrew Graham 43, Estate Clerk Of Works
Christina Graham 39
Margaret Graham 15
Janet Graham 12
Mary Graham 9
Helen Graham 5
Alexander Graham 2, b. Abbotshall, Fifeshire

Address:  Raith Laundry, Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall, Fife

Did you get his parents' details from his marriage or death entry?

[thesludge]

ive just got the marriage certificate off scots people>>>

they married in 1921 on 31st march.According to it alex was a ploice officer??!!!!

It shows Andrew Graham a ploughmans labourer and is shown as  deceased on the marriage certificate. It also shows his mother being deceased

[MonicaL]

Ian

I've been going round in circles for a while with Alexander 

I've had a look at this death cert in 1933 and I think mother may have been a Janet McLellan (has lots of variants although not McKillan which I now think just the way it may have been written up.

We have the marriage of an Andrew Graham and a Janet McLellan in 1879 in Douglas Lanark. You mentioned Douglas earlier in your post regarding Alexander.

This looks to be Janet's birth details on IGI:

JANET MUIR MCLELLAN Birth:18 MAY 1855  Douglas, Lanark
Parents:JOHN MCLELLAN and MARY CLARKSON

And for Andrew Graham, an illegitimate birth:

ANDREW GRAHAM  Birth: 01 DEC 1856 Lesmahagow, Lanark
Parents:   MARY GRAHAM

These details match what is on the marriage cert.

Census info for this family:

Andrew Graham 34, Ploughman Agr Labourer, b. Lesmahagow
Janet Graham 34, b. Douglas
Mary Graham 11, b. Lesmahagow
Margaret Graham 9, b. Douglas
Grace Graham 8, b. Douglas
Andrew Graham 6, b. Douglas
John Graham 5, b. Douglas
Hugh Graham 3, b. Douglas
Agnes Graham 1, b. Lesmahagow
William Graham 11 Days, b. Crawfordjohn

Address:Nether Abington Cottage, Crawfordjohn, Lanarkshire

And in 1901:

Andrew Graham 45, Ag Lab Ploughman
Grace Graham 18
Andrew Graham 16
John Graham 15
Hugh Graham 13
Agnes Graham 11
William Graham 10
Alexander Graham 7, b. Cranfordjohn, Lanarkshire

Address: Braehead, Cramond Midlothian

There is a death showing in 1900 in Cramond for a Janet Graham/M*c*le*

Why don't you contact the Strathclyde Police Archives at www.strathclyde.police.uk/index.asp?locID=448&docID=-1 to see whether you can find his record (which may well include his place of birth and personal details from some other I have seen).

Monica