Benjamin Palmer in Thames

[johnbarr]

I am trying to track back ancestors of Christina Palmer who married Thomas Harvey in 1873. Printout shows Benjamin Palmer as a witness, and ITM shows wedding was to take place at the house of Benjamin Palmer in Thames
(see previous post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,347783.0.html)
I am presuming  that Benjamin was her father.

Althea has kindly shown a Benjamin Palmer, miner,  on a Thames Directory for 1875, which could be the same man. A Benjamin Palmer was buried in Thames in 1912 at age 69 so could be her father, but his birth in 1843 doesn't fit with hers in 1852

The only passenger arrival I can find is a Benjamin Palmer arrived in Auckland in 1849 as a member of 8th Detachment of Fencibles and a Fencibles site shows he was born 1805 and died in Auckland in 1879.
NZ BDM search shows a Benjamin Palmer died 1875 at age 75 which could be the same man.
Can anyone show that he was (or was not) the father of Christina.

NZ BDM has no record of a Christina Palmer born in NZ around 1852 (she was 21 when married in 1873) but there are several un-named female Palmer children about that time. Would a printout from that era show parents?

[trish1120]

He could be her brother whose house she married at

There are a couple of Benjamin Palmers having children, surprisngly named Benjamin , in the 1870's.

So the one who died aged in 1879, aged 75 her Father.

The one aged 69 who died 1912 her brother.

Maybe Mrs Palmer and children came out later.


Trish

[trish1120]

Benjamin Palmer, NZ Fencibles, arrived on the Oriental Queen with wife MARTH (Martha?) CARSON  1849.

http://www.nzfenciblesociety.org.nz/wawcs017849/the-fencibles.html


The Oriental Queen had 71 pensioners, 62 women, and 168 children aboard.
Unfortunately cannot find list of childrens names

From this site;
http://www.geocities.com/wlorac/orienq49.txt

Marthas sister Margaret Carson was on same boat

Benjamin was from Shropshire and died 1879



There are 3 Martha Palmer deaths between 1871-1893 that are possibles.

Trish

[Thamesite2017]

HI
YEs sounding more like it was her ?brothers house she married at

Just mentioning there was also A JAMES PALMER (fencible) his wife was CHRISTINA ORR nee Stewart. He died East Tamaki 1880.
Did marriage cert say father was BEnjamin?

Refresh my memory, did we look for Hill's Index newspaper references for any of these Thames events?
BYe
Althea

[johnbarr]

Trish, thanks for your thoughts and links. I wonder if we can check to see if either of the two Benjamin Palmers born in 1875 and 1878 were in Thames? That might help to determine if the wedding witness was a brother or father.

I see a Mining Right was granted to a Benjamin Palmer for Waikawau in 1868 .
Occupation of Benjamin Palmer witness was shown as Miner, Shortland.

I wondered if there was any account which showed what became of Fencibles after they finished their military commitments i.e. is there any way we could connect the Fencible with the miner and wedding witness

Hi Althea. Marriage was 1873 so unfortunately, no parents names shown 
That's the problem.

Do not recall Hill's Index being mentioned - it's not in previous post.
Thanks

[Thamesite2017]

A bit more on BEnjamin in case it triggers someone's memory
There is a marriage for a Benjamin Palmer 1870 to MARY PICKET
I see the wife of the Benjamin in THames is Mary...so again fits in with age and possibility of brother. Would be interesting to know who his witnesses were?

Charles Palmer was the earliest Palmer in Thames (famous Lolly shop) but can't see any mention of children
Bye
Althea

[Thamesite2017]

Re the fencibles first, the fencibles society have a wealth of information and many submitted forms from family all gathered in a file, but if you want it done by mail/email there is a small charge.

1876 ELectoral objections
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~althea/Objections%201876%20Electoral%20Roll%20Thames.htm
THAMES 2487 PALMER Benjamin Grahamstown Household New qualification

Could have been he just moved to dwelling, they seem to have objected over anything
They said same thing on 1874
http://corohistory.googlepages.com/challengestothe1874electoralroll

I have the 1876 Electoral roll, not yet transcribed:
No 2694 Palmer, Benjamin, Grahamstown, household, Dwelling block 5A, Grahamstown
No 2695 Palmer, BEnjamin, Shortland, leasehold, Dwelling, Baillie Street, Shortland

Now I don't think we can immediately assume that these are 2 different prople, given those objections.

Bye
Althea

[Thamesite2017]

A quick look at the Hills index of early newspapers, sadly showed no BEnjamon or Christina entries
but appears there was an earlier palmer
GEORGE, (THAMES STAR 1902, 10th May) died age 85
http://web.tcdc.govt.nz/cemeprod/cemeteries.aspx

Charles Palmer had a son 1875 (HERALD 15th march) Charles wife was Ruth she died aged 53 (Thames Advertiser 1885, 27th July).

I've got the M/I's coming from the library, as I have many to look up so will see if anything is mentioned, which gives any clues.

[johnbarr]

Thanks for your suggestions Althea, I'll try the NZ Fencible Society - that sounds promising.

Marriage of Benjamin to Mary in 1870 sounds promising too - shame it's such a common name - genie's nightmare Yes, might be worth getting printout to show witnesses, although I guess no parents would show. I see Annie Picket got married same day, 21/01/70 and next registration number, so probably sisters.

Interesting about the Electoral Roll - but at least it establishes a Benjamin was in the area at that time.

Your help is much appreciated