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Re: Internet Explorer 8
« Reply #81 on: Friday 22 May 09 17:08 BST (UK) »

It's not to do with IE's default autorun settings being changed 'cos of
potential threats such as the Conficker worm, is it?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/28/microsoft_windows_retires_autorun/

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Re: Internet Explorer 8
« Reply #82 on: Friday 22 May 09 18:34 BST (UK) »

It's not to do with IE's default autorun settings being changed 'cos of
potential threats such as the Conficker worm, is it?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/28/microsoft_windows_retires_autorun/

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No. That is something slightly different. In our case there is a specific instruction to open the default browser, not to open the options window.

That problem is known by Microsoft, and it appears to be connected with other 3rd-party software.

Forgive me, Nick, but if that problem is known to Microsoft then why have they not been able to tell me so in plain language (including reason(s) and solution(s))?

The only change to the system between working and not working was the installation of IE8. Removal of IE8 solves the problem. The problem may have something to do with the way in which IE8 interacts with other software but it has to arise from the differences between IE8 and IE7.

Back in the day we tested software thoroughly with properly structured test data. If Microsoft undertook proper testing, rather than just field trials, then they should have identified and cured the problem.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8
« Reply #83 on: Friday 22 May 09 18:38 BST (UK) »
That seems to be typical of Microsoft; I believe there are at least 3 languages in common use; English English, American English, and Microsoft American, which bears some resemblence to American English, but only coincidentally.
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Re: Internet Explorer 8
« Reply #84 on: Friday 22 May 09 18:44 BST (UK) »
That seems to be typical of Microsoft; I believe there are at least 3 languages in common use; English English, American English, and Microsoft American, which bears some resemblence to American English, but only coincidentally.

Unfortunately, Roger, it's typical of too many software companies these days. They just let a number of volunteers use their partly developed software for a while in the hopes that the most common bugs can be sorted out before the software is released to the world at large.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8
« Reply #85 on: Friday 22 May 09 18:52 BST (UK) »
Sound like MS again, had they delayed Windows 95 until they released Windows 98 they would have had one good workable system, likewise Vista, which I have never taken up shall go for W7 when it comes.
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Re: Internet Explorer 8
« Reply #86 on: Friday 22 May 09 22:16 BST (UK) »
Forgive me, Nick, but if that problem is known to Microsoft then why have they not been able to tell me so in plain language (including reason(s) and solution(s))?

Maybe because there is no solution yet ?  As I said before, third party software is suspected.  I have IE8, and my CD/DVD auto-run works fine, but I may not have software resident on my PC that you have on yours.

Unfortunately, Roger, it's typical of too many software companies these days. They just let a number of volunteers use their partly developed software for a while in the hopes that the most common bugs can be sorted out before the software is released to the world at large.

You've just been moaning about auto-run not working on your computer, but it works fine on mine.  How do you suggest that Microsoft tests its software out on millions of different PC configurations, and on millions of different permutations of hardware, without doing beta-testing with volunteers ?  Even then some bugs get through.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8
« Reply #87 on: Friday 22 May 09 23:16 BST (UK) »
Forgive me, Nick, but if that problem is known to Microsoft then why have they not been able to tell me so in plain language (including reason(s) and solution(s))?

Maybe because there is no solution yet ?  As I said before, third party software is suspected.  I have IE8, and my CD/DVD auto-run works fine, but I may not have software resident on my PC that you have on yours.

I did mention reason as well as solution. All I have had from Microsoft is advice to ring a premium rate number. They have not said anything about knowing about the problem.

I'm interested though. Does Autorun work with all programs (including IE8) or just some (such as Acrobat Reader)?

Unfortunately, Roger, it's typical of too many software companies these days. They just let a number of volunteers use their partly developed software for a while in the hopes that the most common bugs can be sorted out before the software is released to the world at large.

You've just been moaning about auto-run not working on your computer, but it works fine on mine.  How do you suggest that Microsoft tests its software out on millions of different PC configurations, and on millions of different permutations of hardware, without doing beta-testing with volunteers ?  Even then some bugs get through.
I have to take issue there. So called "beta testing" is not testing. Proper testing requires that the input data, action of the software on the data and expected result are all known.

Hardware and software permutations are irrelevant because the individual software instructions are acting on a definable number of variables and it matters not how those variables are generated. A common example is validating a date. It matters not one jot whether the date on a particular computer is correct, all that matters is whether it is a valid date or not.

A proper test dataset will be built to include the appropriate set of variables - but that takes money and effort which too many companies are loath to expend.

There is absolutely no way in which the input data is known in "beta testing". Therefore, the expected result cannot be known.

Companies which use "beta testing" have no way of knowing whether (e.g.) one factor is tested a thousand times or a thousand factors are tested once. As I said previously, all they can do is hope that the most common bugs can be sorted out before the software is released to the world at large.

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Re: Internet Explorer 8
« Reply #88 on: Friday 22 May 09 23:36 BST (UK) »
I have one computer on which I use Firefox and every time I try to view a image on Ancestry it wants the advanced viewer installed again, install it and it hangs.

I don't have that happen with firefox on my other computers.

Has anyone had trouble viewing census images on Ancestry with IE8?
After "upgrading" to IE8, Ancestry tells you to install the advanced viewer  - again ::)   then doesn't work!

Is it just me and Vista?

not too worried as Firefox works brilliantly... just curious

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Re: Internet Explorer 8
« Reply #89 on: Saturday 23 May 09 18:46 BST (UK) »
I believe that IE8 was specially developed for Vista. Is this likely to mean that when Windows 7 is generally available there are likely to be problems running IE8 with it?
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