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[Kliban]

Please forgive me for butting in here but I know without a doubt that you are talking about my great Aunt Clara and Great Uncle Willie Schwartzman. My maiden name is Schkurman. Clara was my grandfather, Jacob Schlurman's sister. Willie's name was Wolf but he was called Willie by all. He was in the fur business in New York in the 40's and probably before and after.

I remember their daughter, Gladys, who was my father Harold's favorite cousin. They along with cousin Stanley Schkurman would have roaring good times at Aunt Clara's house whenever we went to NYC to visit. That was in the 50's so Aunt Clara and Uncle Willie were probably in their 60's or so. Uncle Willie had a great shock of white hair, I remember. I was young so everyone older than 15 looked old to me.

My grandfather, Jacob, along with brothers Joe and Harry and possibly another brother, and Clara, all came from Kishnev according to what my family story is. My grandfather is listed in the Kishnev Benevolent Society's records. In Jewish genealogy books, you can find mention of the Schkurman family in Kishnev.

I have some pictures of Clara (not scanned) along with other Schkurman relatives taken when I was a child (1940's) in the park across from my grandparent's apartment in the Bronx. There are none of Willie that I can find.

I hope this helps you in your search. I signed up for this site to answer your query so I hope I am doing this correctly. Is it possible that we are related? I can't tell from the previous posts.

Best Regards!

[WYNN]

Thank you so much for replying to me and supplying so much information. I really apopreciate it. I have been trying for many years to find my Great Grandmother.

If this is the correct Clara we will be related through marriage to Willie but my direct descent is through William/Willie who was my great grandmother's grandson.

 She was Margaret Harrison and her husband was Louis Schwartzman. There  was a son William L  which is the Uncle Willie you mention I don't know about the 'Wolf' name as I'd presumed he'd been named William after Margarets father William Harrison.

Also I have only traced two chn. of Wiilie and Clara's.....Charles N and Anna ....no Gladys.

Do you know if any of the children were married and also did they have any children?

Margaret Harrison's daughter Eleanor, who she had illegitamate, was my grandmother whom I adored I do have a photograph of Eleanor but sadly not Margaret.

Thank you again for making contact. Regards Wynn

[Kliban]

There are so many ways our 2 accounts intersect but I wonder if they really are one and the same. I don't recall an Uncle Willie's accent being any different from the rest of the family who were all from Rumania, Poland, Russia and the surrounding area, not from England. But I was very young so that wouldn't have been something I could have distinguished.

I think there was a son, Gladys's  brother, but I don't recall his name. It would be fairly unusual for a Jewish family in that area to name a son Charles however. I am almost  certain that Gladys married and had children but I'm not sure who they are or where they are.

What I am certain about is that Clara was my grandfather's sister and her maiden name was Schkurman.
There is a second cousin named Schkurman in California and I will contact him to see what he remembers. I think he is the son of Stanley Schkurman, my father's cousin. Another cousin who is the son of Elvira, married to Mischa Sartori, lives in New England and I think I can find contact information on him. I don't know if Elvira is a sister or cousin to my grandfather.

One question that may help answer some of these questions is whether the people to whom you refer are Jewish. My entire family is Jewish including Wolf and Clara. I know they kept Kosher and were quite observant, not something to enter into lightly.

What a fascinating result of a casual search on my family name! I'll be back to you when I have more information. Very  nice to hear from you!

[WYNN]

With regard to the Jewish connection. Yes my great grandmother went to America and married a German Jew......the family tell me. i.e. Margaret Harrison wed Lewis/Louis Schwartzman they had a son William Lewis who married Clara Shuckurman (not sure now re maiden name). Clara was born in Pennsylvania. They had two chn. Charles N and Anna.

But you could be right it is the wrong Clara. Looking back at all the info on here which the guys have helped with. There are two Clara Schuckurman and one did marry a Wolf Schwartzman in Manhattan 10th Jan1920.

Thanks again for your interest and please keep in touch. There has got to be a coinnection if the name is the same. I'll see if I can send for the original social security reg. Don't know if I can do this outside of USA tho as I live in Cyprus.

Again re. Jewish connection. I often thought my English family were Jewish but have not practised it. This is only my thought however not ever mentioned by the family. My Grandfathers name is Samuel Strugnall is Strugnall a Jewish name I've often wondered.

Wynn