Marriage look up

[patrexjax]

Hello all, Yes, shellyesq has a valid point ...a few questions: #1- how did you know your great grandmother married  a "German Jew"?  #2 - Also, do you know the names of any other children?? I am assuming since this is your direct line that you know at least one other name....if this family could be found in other US censuses that might be helpful in determining if it is "your family." Pat 

[WYNN]

Thanks for your interest guys. This is what and how I know.

 My Grandmother, Eleanor West Harrison was Margarets illiegitimate child born 1880, Wingate, Co. Durham (info birth cert obtained) She (Eleanor) stayed in England and was brought up by grandparents (William and Mary) and married my Grandfather hence me!

Family stories from my Mother: Great Grandmother went to America and married a German Jew.
Plus info from my  Mother : my (Eleanor) Grandmother's father was a butcher.

Now it seems strange to me that according to the 1900 census Lewis Schwartzman was a butcher (info from shelleyesq)

Could family memories be crossed here. I doubt it was possible for Margaret to visit America  become pregnant by Lewis leave Eleanor in England then return to America and marry Lewis/ Louis. Today maybe but I doubt it would happen in the 1800's. Any thoughts?

The Scottish 'thing' : Maybe the family were living in Scotland when Margaret was born. I've been trying to find the family (William and Mary Ann) on the 1861 census but had no luck so far.

I'm sure this is Margaret married to Louis tho !!! Yippee!!

Hugs Wynn

[avm228]

Hi

Here's the family in 1861:

Winning, Castle Eden, Durham
RG9/3747/81/16

William H. Harrison head Mar 27 Cabinet maker Yorkshire Richmond
Mary A. do Wife mar 29 Cabinet maker's wife Yorkshire Middleton Tyas
John do Son 6 Scholar Yorkshire Middleton Tyas
William do Son 4 Scholar Yorkshire Stokesley
Thomas do son 2 Yorkshire South Stockton
Elizabeth do Daur 7mo Durham Castle Eden


In 1871 Margaret was 8 b Castle Eden Durham: RG10/4976/105/66

In 1881 Margaret was 18 b Castle Eden Durham: RG11/4970/61/79

Her parents were consistent about their Yorkshire birthplaces, and none of their many children has a Scottish birthplace.  Sorry to be a downer, but I'd be cautious about drawing any firm conclusion that the Margaret in America who claimed to be born in Scotland of Scottish parents is the same as your Margaret just yet...
Anna

[avm228]

This looks likely to be Margaret's birth registration:

Mar qtr 1863*

Margaret HARRISON Easington 10a 306

* this would be consistent with a Dec 1862 birth, in which case the age for Margaret Swartzman on the US 1900 census would be only a year out (not too bad!).

[avm228]

Could family memories be crossed here. I doubt it was possible for Margaret to visit America  become pregnant by Lewis leave Eleanor in England then return to America and marry Lewis/ Louis. Today maybe but I doubt it would happen in the 1800's. Any thoughts?

Given Eleanor's middle name, I would think it much more likely that her father was a Mr West from somewhere in County Durham, unless you know of some other reason why the name "West" should have been used   Middle names are often a useful clue to paternity in cases of illegitimate birth.

[avm228]

OK, the very good news is that by 1920 Margaret Schwartzman has abandoned the Scottish fantasy of the 1900 census (continued in the 1910 census) and is enumerated as born England of English parents!

In 1920 Louis is still a butcher and they're living in East Orange, Essex, New Jersey. Their son William L. Schwartzman is a mechanic and married to a Clara from Pennsylvania.  This couple and their two children Charles N (1 yr 2 months) and Anna (2 months) are with Louis and Margaret.

Incidentally, William (as William Lewis Schwartzman) had enlisted for WW1, apparently giving his birthdate as 1 April 1895 though I can't get access to the document.

Years later, in 1942, he enlisted for WW2 service as William Louis Schwartzman, born 1 April 1896.  By this time he and his wife were living at 21 River Edge Rd, Lincoln Park, Morris Co, New Jersey.  William was 5ft 4in tall, weighed 136lb and had brown eyes, black hair and a ruddy complexion.

There is a likely death for him in Pequannock, Morris, New Jersey in Jan 1986 (as William Schwartzman) - birthdate recorded this time as 1 April 1895, from Social Security records.

Anna

[shellyesq]

There's a passenger list for the SS Lucania from Liverpool 23 Sep. 1905 to New York Sep. 29 with this:

Schwartzman, Margaret, age 44, female, married, nationality - England, last permanent residence - Sunderland, going to Newark, NJ, previously in the US in Newark in 1905, going to home at 98 South XI (?) St., Newark, NJ

Schwartzman, Lewis, age 9, male, single, son, US born, passage paid by mother


Also, the WWII Draft Registration Card for William Louis Schwartzman (note that the WWI & WWII Draft Registration Cards do not mean that he enlisted or had to serve in the military - all men of a certain age were required to register for the draft) says he was born in New York City, which seems to fit in with their marriage & them being in Manhattan on the 1900 Census.

[WYNN]

Guys you are AMAZING!!! You have found out sooooo much in such a short time and I have literally been stuck in this rut since 2003!!! Not knowing how to find out who Margaret married.....then I found this amazing site. I'm really really excited now especially as I may have some living relatives I didn't even know about.
Yippee!!!!!

Big hugs Wynn x

[avm228]

 (note that the WWI & WWII Draft Registration Cards do not mean that he enlisted or had to serve in the military - all men of a certain age were required to register for the draft)

I didn't know that!