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Missing road name in 1871 census for Lambeth
« on: Wednesday 06 May 09 08:07 BST (UK) »
Hi, can anyone help me please.  I have found my family on the 1871 census, (all be it the name was misspelt) under the following:

RG9/52 Folio 143 Page 30

They were the RAYNER family.  I have them living in Lambeth, which in that era was classed as Surrey.  When I tried to find the street name, the enumerator had just written 'Continued'.  I tried going back over the various images, but when I came to the sheet showing the start of their street, where the name should have been written, the corner of the page had been torn away!

Does anyone have any ideas as to how I can identify the family's exact address?

Many thanks for your help.

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Re: Missing road name in 1871 census for Lambeth
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 06 May 09 14:52 BST (UK) »
I am afraid you have misled us with the Census info, RG9/352 is in the 1861 census not the 1871, that is RG10.

I have looked at the page in question, scrolling back thro the pages to where a street name is shown, folio 141.  I read it first as Laburnam St but when I looked at the Street index there is no Laburnam Street shown, so I scrolled thro. looking for any likely similar name within the 140 onwards folio nos.  I found a Salamanca St  folio 141.  On lookinng again at the original image I can see it is Salamanca but the writing leaves a lot to be desired.

I did check the enumerator's schedule for this piece no, District 15 in the St Mary, Lanbeth Church First area.    Wouldn't you know it.... it is missing.

If you are in any doubt about this, an inquiry at the Census dept of the National Archives may help to clear it up as they hold the original schedules, it was useful at the old FRC when they had the census films there, I had occasion to request some help on a difficult census entry & they 'phoned Kew & got an answer straight away, sadly those days a long one.

I hope this is a help.

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Re: Missing road name in 1871 census for Lambeth
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 06 May 09 15:41 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for your help.  Sorry about the incorrect folio number, I was copying and pasting a whole clutch of them into my gedcom software, must have selected the right folio but not done ctl+c, hence the previous folio got pasted into the post.  Apologies.

You are right in that the writing has a lot to be desired.

Thanks again for your help
TD

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Re: Missing road name in 1871 census for Lambeth
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 07 May 09 13:30 BST (UK) »
Hello TD

I am new, but wanted to see if I could look up the reference numbers and it worked, so I found the page.   Anyhow, yes it is bad writing, but I think it is Salamanca Street.   I looked at the map and in the same batch are the following streets next to Salamanca Street.

Page 15 Vauxhall Walk
Page 40 Salamanca Place

Hope this helps

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Re: Missing road name in 1871 census for Lambeth
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 07 May 09 14:06 BST (UK) »
That's interesting, that there's a Salamanca Street and Place.  Its given me an idea, if I do a search for other residents of the property but in the next census, they might just be at the same address, which will tell me for certain what the road is.  Long shot, but worth a try.

Thanks and well done.

TD

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Re: Missing road name in 1871 census for Lambeth
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 07 May 09 14:09 BST (UK) »
Its given me an idea, if I do a search for other residents of the property but in the next census, they might just be at the same address, which will tell me for certain what the road is.  Long shot, but worth a try.


I do this a lot - and if they're not there, I start looking for the neighbours!  It helps if one of the neighbours has an unusual name, so they're easy to find...

Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Missing road name in 1871 census for Lambeth
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 07 May 09 14:28 BST (UK) »
Just to put the reord straight re Salamanca St.,  here are the piece nos together with the folio nos for both 1861 & 1871 census according to the Street index.

1861  RG9/352
Salamanca Cottages, Vauxhall Walk   folios 137-140
Salamanca court, Salamanca St.  folios 147-148
Salamanca Place, Broad St   folios  148-151
Salamanca St, Vauxhall Walk   140-144

1871 RG10/661
Salamanca cottages, Place & Street, Vauxhall Walk  foios 58-65

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Re: Missing road name in 1871 census for Lambeth
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 07 May 09 14:48 BST (UK) »
Thanks, those folio numbers were a huge help.  It does look pretty conclusive that its Salamanca Street as opposed to cottages, court or place.

Trouble with this fh research is that its SO addictive, isn't it?

Off to update my gedcom file.

Thanks to everyone for their huge input.

Best wishes to you all
TD