Robert Green jr

[jk22]

Hello,

I am revisiting various people and Robert's first marriage remains a mystery to me.
There are hundreds of RGs and as i can't find him in Ardleigh, Essex, then i just don't know his first wife or children, if any, in the enormous no of Green families.

I've tried Pallots to find a wife of an age similar to an RG born in c1801.  I found 12 ladies who married an RG between 1819 - 1836.  [I expect this isn't the whole story.] I then went to familysearch to match up and add what i might but to little avail.  Incorporated in this search was to find a death date for one of these ladies who married an RG who later married again in 1844 to Sarah, my gggrandmother.

My Robert Green, father of my great grandmother, Jane, was a widower when he married Sarah in 1844.  He indicates on the 1851 census that he was '50' thus giving a by of 1800/01.  But like so many, he likely was sloppy with his accuracy of his birth details.  I suspect he may have been older.

Any comments or suggestions anyone?
Julie

[anewitt]

Hello jk22,
I found Robert Green in 1841 at Weeley Heath living a couple of doors away from Abraham Childs as in 1851.
In 1841 (aged about 45) he was living with ELIZABETH (aged about 50).

From BMD, ELIZABETH GREEN died Dec. Qtr. 1841 at Tendring district
                  Ref 12 / 167.

From IGI (only a submission, would need to be verified), ROBERT GREEN & ELIZABETH KNAPP married 7/7/1835 at Gt Horkesley (a couple of miles from Ardleigh).


Remembering that in 1841 census, ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 years above 15. I would guess Robert Green's birth to have been nearer 1795 + or - 5 years.
Also From the IGI (again only a submission), ROBERT GREEN & JEMIMA EVERITT married 21/3/1793 at Gt Horkesley. (Possible parents of Robert Green Jnr.)

Obtaining the Death Cert. for Elizabeth Green in late 1841 (the only one in Tendring district), may give verification of her maiden name.

Hope this helps.
Regards, Alan.

[jk22]

Hello Alan.

Thank you very much for your efforts - it's the best yet.

I do have the 1841 dc for Elizabeth Green.  It only states she was wife of Robert Green, and does give her age as 61, as well as confirming RG was an "Agricultural Labourer".

In my search of Pallots i did find Elizabeth Knapp - or rather i read it as 'Knopp'..  thanks for the link re Gt Horkesley and Ardleigh.  So i will assume that was her maiden name for my contender.

I agree with your submission that Robert was born in the 18th century:  and will accept Robert snr & Jemima as his parents - for the time being.

With the Tendring dc for a Robert Green his age was corrected to 70 that would place his birth year as 1788!  However this is all a bit loose however it is good to work with for further refinement - if possible.

So it looks as if he only had children with Sarah??!  Or was he a double widower when he married her in 1844?!

Kind regards
Julie

[ipswichian]

Hi just to mention that I descend from Robert Green/Jemima Everett (maiden name Jemima Ladbroke) if you're able to establish that link - I think they had a son Robert baptised 28 Dec 1800 at Great Horkesley - Regards

[ipswichian]

Hi just to mention that I descend from Robert Green/Jemima Everett (maiden name Jemima Ladbroke) if you're able to establish that link - I think they had a son Robert baptised 28 Dec 1800 at Great Horkesley - Regards

[jk22]

Hello Ipswichian,

Good to hear from you.
Thank you for your information.  Very exciting!

My Robert Green gave his birth year as 1801 on the 1851 census when he was hb to Sarah Watkins Green and their 3 children.  They had a fourth child, Jane in 1855 and she is my great grandmother (i'm 60 and live in Toowoomba, Qld, Australia - ex Melbourne, Victoria.)

As you are probably aware there are hundreds of Robert Greens in the records!  The practice of fudging records also confounds research.  Have you found this?

My Robert Green possibly died in the Union Workhouse in Tendring in 1858.  He was not on the 1861 census and Sarah was given as a widow.  The only local death for an RG that i could find was this one, but on the death cert his age is given as '70'! 

I have been 'working' with my 3rd cousin. who lives in Wiltshire now, and he is descended from my greatgrandmother's older sister, Sarah Ann Green Moore.  We have been pretty stumped with our Green ancestry but can now say that i have some renewed hope!

Thank you,
Julie
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[ipswichian]

Hi Julie

My RG appears to descend from one or more John Greens, again very common in the records, so I know exactly how you feel, although I think there is more to be found on the Greens as yet, eg., via wills, to make the line a bit clearer - there seem to have been Green various farmers in that area, so maybe my/our ancestry ties into that. My descent is from Sarah Harriet Green, daughter of Robert and Jemima, who married my GGGG-Grandfather James Firmin Warren in 1813 at Gt Horkesley. Both Sarah and James were also from there.

What birthplace did 'your' RG give in 1851? I can't see that in the posts below, though obviously you had posted earlier about him.

Regards
ipswichian

ps. you'll see the message I got below about your e-mail address being removed

[jk22]

Hello Ipswichian
My third cousin is actively researching the Green line of ours and is visiting Essex RO from time to time from Wiltshire home. 
On the 1851 census Robert Green md to Sarah and with 3 children gave his birthplace as "Ardleigh" in 1801.
What do you make of that?
I couldn't find him on the 1861 census; i expect he had died as Sarah is now a "widow".  Their fourth child, my great grandmother, Jane was born in 1855.  So i deduce that Robert died between 1854 (late) and 1861.  I only found one RG that might have fitted but sadly the death cert i have from the GRO has him aged 70 (the age was corrected on the document) and he died in the Union Tendring Workhouse.  No relatives were in attendance which i find surprising.  I don't feel convinced that this RG is my man.
Anyway let's keep at it?!
Kind regards
Julie
Ps.  I send you a personal message.

[jk22]

Hello Shane,
Is it possible to obtain your contact details in order for either Peter Batt [Wiltshire] and myself, Julie Kemp, Brisbane, Australia, can check with you regarding the Green family history?
Kind regards
Julie