The life of a con man part 2

[Dinosaur]

oops! I've just remembered that the Lyttelton Times article was one of several that were sent to me by the genealogy librarian at the main library in Christchurch, NZ several years ago.

Prior to the creation of the PapersPast website I sent him photocopies of the NZ-related excerpts (now online) from ETO's diary in exchange for copies of ETO-related articles from several NZ newspapers. Apologies for misleading you.

The Lyttelton Times article that I cited mentions that Annie Mabel was staying with a Mrs. Lodge.

[Trees]

You're forgiven  lead to finding a few more bits 
Can you let us have extractswhen you get home please. was Mrs Lodge a care worker ? was it a children's refuge? I can't find the article Deb found about Annie Mabel giving evidence at an ETO trial do you have a ref for that by any chance?
H

[Dinosaur]

Hello Trees. I fly back to California tomorrow. Once my brain cells have caught up with me -- which may take a few days -- I'll dig out the Lyttelton Times articles and send them to you. I'm pretty sure I also have a copy of the article that Deb mentioned. Bye for now.

[mc8]

You're forgiven  lead to finding a few more bits 
Can you let us have extractswhen you get home please. was Mrs Lodge a care worker ? was it a children's refuge? I can't find the article Deb found about Annie Mabel giving evidence at an ETO trial do you have a ref for that by any chance?
H

I'd be surprised if such arrangements were in place then-it was probably some informal arrangement by someone who took pity on her when she was effectively abandoned (unless she had money to pay her way in a lodging house or similar, or another woman ETO schmoozed...)-better than the equivalent of the workhouse

[regross]

Hi all,

fascinating research.

I followed up on the Knowles deaths in the Carlyle Cemetery which is as stated between the towns of Rutherglen and Wahgunyah in North East Victoria Australia only 30 minutes from where I live and where some of the people I am researching are buried.

Annie Mabel Knowles d 1935 aged 58  est dob 1877, was the daughter of Henry Knowles and and Lucy Ann Hook Victorian death registration 16890. Can't find a Victorian birth yet

 John Knowles aged 76 son of Robert Knowles and Sarah Cameron reg 18791 born Ballarat 1862 reg 645

So most probably no connection at all except the coincidence of names.

Can be search  for a small fee here https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home and ordered for online pickup for a fee or snail mail for a larger fee. Should give places of birth, spouses , children etc. if you want to be really sure.


 What were Annie Pratt's parent's names?
regards

Robyn

[Trees]

Hi Robyn.
Ann PRATT's parents were Thomas and Ann nee Thorne she was their 9th child (12 in all)born1844 in Solihull Warwickshire. Thomas was first a tanner but later a Railway Porter
I don't think any of the others ever left the UK
Annie Mable married Frederick Knowles in New York so I doubt that she died in Australia its her mum Ann Osbaldeston nee Pratt who died there possibly murdered by ETO he definitely left Australia with the daughter Annie Mable and has been found in NZ and the USA with her
Isn't it a complex but fascinating story did you read part 1 too?
H

[Greensleeves]

Does this mean the rollercoaster is off again...?  I enjoyed the Part 1 so much, could do with a bit more excitement in my life!

Greensleeves, the casual bystander

[regross]

Trees,

read it links and all.

matches well this search which is equally as addictive, intense and ongoing:
part one http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,383665.375.html
part two  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=412225.new#new
and sub searches:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,418431.msg2859681.html#msg2859681
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,390323.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,386064.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,393268.0.html

beware you get caught. Totally different topic than you rogue but still a mystery woman.

regards

Robyn

[regross]

Trees
 
Did you note in the document that Ann Osbaldeston was also to be charged with housebreaking with her husband and Wivel?  SMH 26/11/1867
 
Perhaps she went to gaol as well. She may have died in gaol which might account for her disappearance. Not sure what procedure was re registering deaths of proisoners in SA at that time.  

Found info on the1874 act but this would be later than the period she may have been in prison
http://dspace.flinders.edu.au/dspace/bitstream/2328/2796/1/101874.pdf

HaS anyone access to this publication
http://www.gould.com.au/South-Australian-RS-4-Deaths-in-Public-Instit-p/gbb035.htm
 
 Have you come across the trial records yet.(date of first court appearance 26/11/1867)
 
Another thought we know from the newspaper reports that his daughter was in a house in Christchurch (1876) can we get the address and check electoral rolls/census for NZ if available.
 
found this intriguing snippet

Official Documents on the Case of Ann Pratt, the Reputed Authoress of a Certain Pamphlet, entitled "Seven Months in the Kingston Lunatic Asylum, and What I Saw there." (Kingston) 56 pages, 1860. Health. Hospitals. Asylums. Psychiatry. Lunatics. Ann Pratt. Kingston. Jamaica. Exceptionally scarce. RES

here http://www.books.ai/9th/Oa-Ol.htm
 
probably not connected at all but Jamaica was on the route from USA to Australia at that time and it sounds like the sort of thing ETO might promote.
 
Robyn