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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #279 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 22:31 BST (UK) »

I did see somewhere a series of adverts that he had placed advertising the services of private nurses I wondered if Alice was sent out in that capacity she was described as a nurse on one of the censuses If a client asked for a "Mail order Male" nurse I suppose he went himself It was that Duke case where he as nurse called Dr sent for the Dr rather showing up the falsehood of the title
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did you also find the article on the adverts he placed wanting men to be paid for experimental surgery in Venezuela? No end of applicants apparently. There was a follow-up article to say that the first survived, second died and the third a 'complete success'....
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« Reply #280 on: Wednesday 20 May 09 22:46 BST (UK) »
Yes the poor selected fellow (No 4) died and hadn't received anything other than his passage to Ecuador apparently ETO was acting as agent. The experiment went well and the patient was healling but was smoking and drinking too soon and so died  :'( He was selected because he was ex military(navy) very fit and had no relatives
Times must have been extremely hard
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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #281 on: Friday 22 May 09 22:21 BST (UK) »
Hello Trees and fellow Chatters. I've just returned from three days in Oxfordshire where I was gathering information regarding ETO's ancestors. He's descended from the Oxfordshire branch of the Osbaldestons who first appear in the records in Lancashire in the 12th century.

In answer to your question, ETO's older brother Frederick Turner married his first cousin Frances Maria Turner, daughter of Charles Pye Turner [junior] and Maria Lewington Turner.

His 1871 census return lists Frederick Turner, widower, 36, living with his son Frederick, 8; his sister [should be half-sister] Maria Turner [should be Osbaldeston], unmarried, 40, born in Woodstock, Oxfordshire; and his niece [should be cousin] Frances Turner, unmarried, 18, born in Reading, Berkshire.  His occupation is listed as “Volunteer Adjutant.”

Regarding the newspaper articles about the man who went to South America to serve as a medical guinea pig, I suspect that ETO invented the whole thing to get his name in the papers. What makes me think so is the fact that ETO calls the man Ferdinand Pietrich. However that was the name of the owner of the Turkish baths in Melbourne where ETO worked in 1866!
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TURNER (Kent, London)
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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #282 on: Friday 22 May 09 22:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Dinosaur I hope you had a successful week.
What another twist in the tale what did he stand to gain other than notoriety?
Have you got any idea or a theory as to why he married Ann Pratt?she was well under age and there doesn't seem to be any mention of her parents involvement in the marriage she should have had their consent.
Do you know who looked after Annie Mabel in NZ? was she in counsel care?
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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #283 on: Sunday 24 May 09 09:16 BST (UK) »
what do you make of the evidence of Captain Fitzurse in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle March 31 1926 clearing ETO of the horse theft
Was it a fiction made up by the reporter or did some one relay go to the reporter with that amazing story? Did ETO pay someone to do it or was the whole thing a spoof? It certainly is one of the funniest reports I have ever read.
Was it infact written by Don Marquis??
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Added yes it was Captain Peter Fitzurse was a character of Don Marquis so that answers that
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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #284 on: Monday 25 May 09 11:25 BST (UK) »
The Brooklyn Daily Eagle printed this story a day too early -- they should've published it on April 1 !!!

Trees, in answer to your question about who was looking after Annie Mabel while ETO was in jail in New Zealand, have a look at the following articles on the PapersPast website

"'Doctor' Turner," Lyttelton Times (Christchurch, NZ), 31 Aug 1876, p. 2.

"Larceny of a coat," Star (Christchurch, NZ), 16 Oct 1876, p. 2.

It was probably not long after his release on bail on Oct 2 that ETO -- dressed in female attire -- went to the house where Annie Mabel was staying, collected her and headed to the nearby port of Lyttelton. There they embarked on a steamer to Melbourne. In Melbourne they boarded the SS Durham bound for London. They had spent just over nine months in New Zealand.
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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #285 on: Monday 25 May 09 14:43 BST (UK) »


Trees, in answer to your question about who was looking after Annie Mabel while ETO was in jail in New Zealand, have a look at the following articles on the PapersPast website

do you have the link for that site? I can't find it
Monique
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« Reply #286 on: Monday 25 May 09 14:50 BST (UK) »
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast
be warned if you put DoctorTurner you get 3180 hits!
I'm ploughing through  found some little beauties
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Added no I cant find it either I've looked through all 3180 hits ;D picking out the 1876 ones only but I  just cant find the Lyttleton paper  ???
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« Reply #287 on: Monday 25 May 09 15:24 BST (UK) »
The nearest i have found is a report in the Timaru Herald 18 oct 1876 reporting an item in The Lyttleton Times of 17th Oct saying he had yet again skipped bail and had been missing for several days it apears "that he left Lyttleton in female attire...by one of the coastal steamers...Inspector Feast holds £200 belonging to Turner....security for his appearance to answer ....stealing Mr Cwle's coat"
no mention of Annie Mable

Quote of the day from Timaru Herald 29 August 1876 page 3 " ...Turner appears to have some sort of objection to remaining in prison  with charges hanging over his head..."  ;D
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